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bring it

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I need it now not later no

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those answers in places you wouldn't

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because there's there's people now who

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thing and don't go in the white light

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interesting thing to me is that I have

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no doubt that the basic premise of what

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you're saying is true is that there are

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some non-human intelligence with

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advanced technology that can

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that he interferes with or has the

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appearance of interfering with

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what people would understand to be a

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near-death experience or reincarnation

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experience they're faking it I I think

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they're faking it that is my ultimate

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conclusion but that is an important

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shift that no one in the nde community

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wow I don't know all I know is what I

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experience is a realization that went

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beyond my normal consciousness of what's

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any other lifetime it's it's in Eternal

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now beingness that is so deep that it's

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it's it's a dreaming

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but this is a this is a dreaming this

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here now reality is the dreaming yeah

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yeah probably everything you know but

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that is the closest to making sense to

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for the purpose of our own personal

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growth of our soul in some way I mean

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wrap my arms around it in a way that

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a total opening to the data and uh kind

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of my personal intuitive sense of it

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that first clip was from the movie The

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Gray it's a great scene and the second

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was from today's guest

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Eve lorgan who I was reluctant to in

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this interview you'll see that I keep

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trying to pull back pull back because I

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didn't want to hit you with the whole my

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lab abduction stuff underground basis

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stuff because so many people think it's

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crazy I would of course suggest that the

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natural flow of following the data here

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is just kind of plainly leads in that

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directions I mean we live in a

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post-disclosure world where these things

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flying around are acknowledged and we

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can only assume that there is some form

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piloting those crafts that's the most

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parsimonious conclusion the part that

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throws people is that evidence dovetails

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of the important voices in this if you

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course that's an intelligence issue of

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course we need to know we need to know

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what was the interaction like what was

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their technology like what did they let

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say now what do they know what do they

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want those are intelligence questions

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intelligence agencies to be asking so of

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stuff it goes ooh two or three steps

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down with some form of all of it in a

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skeptico kind of way hope you enjoy it

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welcome to skeptico where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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today we welcome Eve Logan to skeptico

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Eve has a master's degree in counseling

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and psychology and is a trained

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hypnotherapist she's the author of two

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books The Dark Side of cupid and the

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love bite she's an expert both as a

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researcher and a therapist in anomalous

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relationships Eve welcome to skeptico

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thanks so much for joining me

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thank you it's a pleasure to be on your

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show today and we'll just go with where

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you'd like to take it because I know

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you've had some fantastic guests that I

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actually have known in my life when you

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when you showed me the list so I thought

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oh boy I better be my best self today

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well good you know I'm glad you're

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you're bringing your game because I'm I

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am too you know we've had a really good

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exchange I really appreciate how much

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you've shared with me and you've kind of

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pointed me in different directions as

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from the way I originally contacted you

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and it's been great and I've listened to

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a lot of your interviews I did read both

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your books not thoroughly especially on

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the love bite wasn't able to get through

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with that all the way but I you know I'm

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grounding and all that and you know so

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because you are super bright you do such

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a great job you're such a good presenter

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and people who listen to your other

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interviews uh you know you're highly

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intelligent you're well trained and then

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you're in this very fringy fringy out

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fringy and you are not fringy you know

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so what I kind of wanted to do though is

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I wanted to creep up on some of this

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stuff a little bit with you

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in a way that maybe won't totally freak

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people out right from the beginning and

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will give us a way to maybe

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even if we get fringy to kind of point

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out how wacky the non-fringy explanation

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for this stuff is because I think

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there's really a point to be made there

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so you know one of the ways I thought

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American Psychological Association and

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we're asked to come and do a

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presentation just on anomalous trauma as

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just if you were going to kind of

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sanitize it down to that level

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what would you talk about and because I

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think it just comes right out of your

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book does that make sense no actually

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so much more has come to light in the

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counseling circles especially

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co-alcoholics and abusers and in the old

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threw around codependency but I had no

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complex trauma or complex PTSD and how

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early attachment Styles when we're you

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nervous system that affects how you

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codependency issues are the narcissistic

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abuse like everything's all about

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narcissists and narcissistic abuse and

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that is has some Merit in terms of what

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that's how I I came to your doorstep is

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by interviewing people from my area of

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intelligence interference here thing so

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to go there but what I want to draw

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people's attention to and I wanted to

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draw you out on this because you do it

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thing of anomalous trauma and anomalous

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experiences so I've had these kind of

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American Psychological Association and

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they're kind of struggling with hey I'm

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like spiritually transformative

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experiences which all these people are

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wants to pretend well no that doesn't

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really let's look the other way and then

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precognition all this stuff

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completely look away from that and then

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what you're bringing to the table which

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hadn't thought about before but I can

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see you at the APA giving this

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presentation and saying what do you do

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with the relationship when the start of

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the relationship comes with

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I could telepathically hear what he was

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saying I had a premonition I had a dream

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that he was going to show up that she

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was going to show up we all have this I

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I remember when I the first time I saw

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my wife over 30 years ago

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I there was something about it there's

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something about the first time I laid

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eyes on her and I I don't know but I

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think this is common to so many people

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when they talk about this there is an

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anomalous aspect a lot of times

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associated with relationships sometimes

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it's good sometimes it's not good but

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this has not really been even touched on

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from a psychological standpoint and and

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you are going there in a number of

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respects in this book beyond their or I

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say as a precursor or a part of the oh

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the ET thing that we'll get into

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yeah I think I mean a lot of it is that

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we actually as many humans we don't have

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just five senses we have much more

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and there's many people who have more

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heightened perception in different ways

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so they could pre-cog for example before

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something happens or being able to

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intuitively communicate with someone

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sometimes telepathically or sometimes

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just sentiently knowing what they're

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feeling and knowing when you're going to

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see them next so I've met many people

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who have those abilities that are

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natural and so when they explain having

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something that they think is uh

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orchestrated by an entity it's often

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because they have a perception that's

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above and beyond the norm or the

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relationship is definitely beyond the

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norm of even let's say you know a

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bizarre something bizarre with a

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narcissist for example so there was

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enough witness testimonies in my work

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that indicated there's much more going

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on that we didn't even think was in our

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reality and we need to take a look at it

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so that we can really regain our own

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sense of power and control in our lives

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and learn how to mitigate the negative

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effects of that so we don't fall

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vulnerable

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so a lot of my work was really how to

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strengthen ourselves so that we are not

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vulnerable to these influences and that

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know when they're happening or before

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they happen and know what to do so that

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it doesn't become a problem and it

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doesn't really hit you over the head

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like a horrible love Obsession for years

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and years and years and you know

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believing it's your twin flame and then

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have all these strange things happen

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so I run across that and um I know that

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there are paranormal influences that are

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beyond the norm that do happen and that

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they've even photographed things and so

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we know they happen it's just for the

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standard five senses person who believes

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in only the I don't know the Western

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scientific model or even the these

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psychological model of what they think

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is the psych or what they think is a

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human is limited to what we're really

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experiencing now and I think that

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limitation of what we think science is

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or humans are keeps us as a race more

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powerless than we have to be and that we

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could actually overcome much more and be

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much more if we start going Beyond those

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five senses and start exploring more

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deeply who we are and this kind of gets

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into the the question that one of my

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colleagues Dr corado Malanga of Italy

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who is actually a PhD in organic

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chemistry he's a professor and he did

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research with alien abductions in Italy

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along with the UFO phenomena and how

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that kind of connected and really you

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know his bottom line was we have to know

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who we are as humans in order to fully

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understand what these other beings are

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and what they're really doing and once

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we know who we are we could really

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connect more deeply with that which is

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really our eternal spirit then we have

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much more understanding and Power in our

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lives to really live the way we want to

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live and not have to worry about having

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these bizarre things happen to us

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Okay so

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this is going to be an interesting kind

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of uh tug of war but it's a true

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dialogue and I I really love the fact

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that it's so deep your work is so deep

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and the other thing I should say is that

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you were coming at this from a people

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helper perspective that's what you do

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and as your book's evidence there are a

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lot of people that are suffering greatly

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they're unable to get on with their

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lives in so many ways due to anomalous

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trauma and you know like because the

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reason I kind of pull up and kind of

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jump all over the place is like every

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word we would have to parse when we say

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these entities now we're implying

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non-human intelligence are we also

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talking about uh spirit beings are we

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talking about kind of satanic malevolent

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what does satanic even mean do we have

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to couch it in some kind of biblical

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perspective or does it go beyond that

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I wrote a book a few years ago why evil

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matters that's was the the point of the

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book was that we don't process evil at

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all really in our society we're either

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secular and go it doesn't exist or

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somebody's going to pull out their Bible

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and say no I'll tell you what it is it's

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right here and it's confined to this

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little book here and neither one of

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those makes sense we wound up with the

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kind of schizophrenic idea of what evil

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is so I'm down with so much what you're

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saying I agree that from a people helper

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perspective which is where you're coming

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at it

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you are obligated to go where these

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people are and enter into their world

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which is also you have your own

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experience with this and then work

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through that you know I'm not coming at

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it from this perspective right I mean I

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just spoke to you know the guy I

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interviewed just last week well a

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terrific guy he had a near-death

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experience he was dead for an hour

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Rigamortis had set in and

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the the EMT in the ambulance cuts the

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body bag open because there's this light

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that comes in and the voice shines and a

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voice talks to then you can see the

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voice this guy can't see it says this

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guy isn't dead puts the paddles on him

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Vinny is resuscitated has this

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incredible near-death experience right

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and Vinnie comes through and so what the

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whole thing with Vinnie was very

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interesting but one of the things I get

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from the near-death experience and I

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talked to I've talked to a bunch of

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people is that

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near-death experience is definitely

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evidence

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Consciousness survives bodily death

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I believe that it's evidence of a moral

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hierarchy uh God if you will

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but it's not evidence of Jesus it's but

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a lot some people come back and that's

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what they see is Jesus right that's

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their experience so my point is

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you're a people helper you have to go

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where people are I'm this kind of

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researcher inquiry to perpetuate doubt

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guy I'm looking at a lot of these cases

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and going

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you know we're probably in sync on some

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of this stuff but some of the other

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stuff it's just

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it's kind of confusing the whole

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situation and that's where I was going

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initially I'm sorry to go on and on but

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I want us to be on the same

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footing so you know where I'm coming

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from because at this point I know a lot

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more about where you're coming from than

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you know where I'm coming from but like

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relationships are complicated right so

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you're in field where hey man take all

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the anomalous stuff out of it it's

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complicated on a just basic level of you

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know how do we get along who's going to

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change a diaper uh did you bring your

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check home you know we got to pay the

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rent kind of thing it's complicated on

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an emotional level of love and this and

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the deepest part of me and you're so hot

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baby and it's complicated on this

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spiritual level of you know yeah it's

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compensated on a deep psychology level

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of uh you know you do that just like my

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freaking mother you know I you're

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driving me nuts kind of thing so there's

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so much to tease out before we even get

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into the anomalous stuff yeah I'm so

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glad that you're there bringing in the

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first layer of anomalous stuff is like

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you said there's this extended

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Consciousness realm we are all psychic

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telepathic all the rest of this and now

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you're gonna layer on top of that that

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potentially there's

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Advanced non-human intelligence or

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demonic stuff or whatever that is

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actually trying to manipulate that

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process so

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you you get where I'm coming from I'm a

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little bit

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the way with some of your stuff for all

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the reasons that I think we need to

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tease a lot of stuff out before we jump

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all the way to the end what are your

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thoughts on that I'm sure you've you've

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thought a lot about this you've worked

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through a lot of this that's you have 20

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how many years of experience doing this

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right now I mean I I think I wasn't well

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what drew me to be interested was that

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my own experiences that had to do with

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uh UFO sightings and what I thought were

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ET encounters and paranormal experiences

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and that kind of thing so in my own

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family I mean I was drawn because my my

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father worked for Lockheed and he had

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like books that were aerial phenomena

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and then some of the early UFO books and

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I became interested because I had

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sightings and experiences that I thought

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were benevolent but I didn't really

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remember there's always this Amnesia

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thing so there was an incongruence with

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the excitement about these positive

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space brothers and UFOs and then the

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this horrible fear behind the real

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experience itself

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so what really I mean I was a scientist

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before I became a therapist I was a

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biochemist and then changed my my field

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of study because I didn't really want to

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go there anymore I wanted to learn more

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about humans and psychology and work

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with my own family of origin issues

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which I thought could contribute to my

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understanding of all the other stuff

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which it did but I don't think it

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explains everything that happens some

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people seem to have these unusual

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experiences without having had early

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family trauma to to blame it on as being

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let's say a vulnerable victim being at

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the wrong place at the wrong time

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because of something and so they're

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normal people who were just kind of

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plucked up and taken and and had these

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unusual experiences so

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what can I say but my understanding of

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human psychology and Trauma helped me

547
00:23:01,970 --> 00:22:59,940
understand how to help people so that

548
00:23:03,950 --> 00:23:01,980
they could actually get to the root of

549
00:23:07,330 --> 00:23:03,960
their experiences and actually remember

550
00:23:10,190 --> 00:23:07,340
or recover from the trauma so somebody

551
00:23:13,850 --> 00:23:10,200
understands complex trauma or complex

552
00:23:15,770 --> 00:23:13,860
PTSD and starts working with um working

553
00:23:19,370 --> 00:23:15,780
with their nervous system to rebalance

554
00:23:21,649 --> 00:23:19,380
it and emotionally regulate and get your

555
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:21,659
true human needs met which by the way

556
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:23,520
many people don't even get the real

557
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:26,880
needs met and um not even from the

558
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:30,000
Maslow's hierarchy of needs but even

559
00:23:34,430 --> 00:23:32,400
even less than that so you're talking

560
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:34,440
about a lot of people if if they really

561
00:23:37,789 --> 00:23:36,240
got their needs met they would be at a

562
00:23:40,370 --> 00:23:37,799
place where they could actually process

563
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:40,380
and understand and remember and be able

564
00:23:44,690 --> 00:23:42,960
to deal with these things but it's it's

565
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:44,700
almost like

566
00:23:49,789 --> 00:23:46,799
you know once you get in a vulnerable

567
00:23:51,289 --> 00:23:49,799
state you're more easy prey I think for

568
00:23:52,909 --> 00:23:51,299
some of these things that are happening

569
00:23:55,130 --> 00:23:52,919
and that they are

570
00:23:57,830 --> 00:23:55,140
and there's a lot of trauma related to

571
00:23:59,450 --> 00:23:57,840
the alien abduction experience as well

572
00:24:02,450 --> 00:23:59,460
as the my labs which we really didn't

573
00:24:05,090 --> 00:24:02,460
talk about yet but that was something

574
00:24:06,529 --> 00:24:05,100
that I discovered kind of coexisted with

575
00:24:08,690 --> 00:24:06,539
many of the people having the

576
00:24:11,930 --> 00:24:08,700
experiences there was there was a human

577
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:11,940
element working in conjunction with or

578
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:14,159
because of the alien abduction

579
00:24:19,610 --> 00:24:17,039
experiences which indicated that well it

580
00:24:21,169 --> 00:24:19,620
must be real why are they interested in

581
00:24:22,730 --> 00:24:21,179
following up and finding out what

582
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:22,740
happened to these people because there

583
00:24:26,450 --> 00:24:24,240
really is an issue

584
00:24:28,250 --> 00:24:26,460
so that kind of opened up a whole can of

585
00:24:30,770 --> 00:24:28,260
worms and a

586
00:24:33,710 --> 00:24:30,780
a research that kind of came with a lot

587
00:24:34,490 --> 00:24:33,720
of smoke and mirrors and X-File kind of

588
00:24:37,610 --> 00:24:34,500
stuff

589
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:37,620
instead of human psychology and I think

590
00:24:42,350 --> 00:24:39,840
it's unfortunate that many people who've

591
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:42,360
had these unusual experiences they can't

592
00:24:46,730 --> 00:24:43,919
they don't feel comfortable just going

593
00:24:48,529 --> 00:24:46,740
to a regular psychologist sometimes they

594
00:24:50,990 --> 00:24:48,539
want to go to a specialist in

595
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:51,000
hypnotherapy or somebody who's in the

596
00:24:55,250 --> 00:24:52,799
field who's had experiences and then

597
00:24:57,409 --> 00:24:55,260
they start taking consultations based on

598
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:57,419
their experiences because they don't

599
00:25:01,789 --> 00:25:00,000
feel that they would be you know justly

600
00:25:03,770 --> 00:25:01,799
perceived and they would just be thrown

601
00:25:05,810 --> 00:25:03,780
on medication or something

602
00:25:07,850 --> 00:25:05,820
so that's unfortunate because I know

603
00:25:10,430 --> 00:25:07,860
that that does happen

604
00:25:12,169 --> 00:25:10,440
right so again you know we'll just keep

605
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:12,179
going down this thing and see how it

606
00:25:17,630 --> 00:25:14,640
goes so it might be interesting for me

607
00:25:21,230 --> 00:25:17,640
to throw out kind of how I directly kind

608
00:25:24,350 --> 00:25:21,240
of came to you so I interviewed this guy

609
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:24,360
a couple months ago Dr Jason giorgiani

610
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:27,360
he's a philosopher and

611
00:25:33,529 --> 00:25:30,720
was kind of a very go-to guy in the

612
00:25:36,110 --> 00:25:33,539
field of parapsychology but the point is

613
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:36,120
he starts pushing this idea that the

614
00:25:39,730 --> 00:25:38,400
near-death experience and The

615
00:25:42,169 --> 00:25:39,740
Reincarnation

616
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:42,179
experience and the science associated

617
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:45,600
with that is subject to interference in

618
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:47,760
this extended Consciousness realm right

619
00:25:52,970 --> 00:25:51,360
so I had Jason on and I was I wanted to

620
00:25:56,269 --> 00:25:52,980
push him on that a little bit and I said

621
00:25:58,610 --> 00:25:56,279
well you know my read of the science

622
00:26:01,250 --> 00:25:58,620
can't really line up with that in a

623
00:26:06,049 --> 00:26:01,260
couple of important ways one the work in

624
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:06,059
reincarnation science is among the most

625
00:26:13,549 --> 00:26:10,559
well disciplined and thorough work done

626
00:26:15,649 --> 00:26:13,559
by Ian Stevenson and all those people at

627
00:26:17,090 --> 00:26:15,659
University of Virginia a lot of people

628
00:26:19,310 --> 00:26:17,100
have looked at that peer-reviewed work

629
00:26:22,250 --> 00:26:19,320
and said that's very solid that is not

630
00:26:25,130 --> 00:26:22,260
consistent with like Ted's account of

631
00:26:26,690 --> 00:26:25,140
all reincarnation are subject to alien

632
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:26,700
kind of thing it just doesn't fit with

633
00:26:30,529 --> 00:26:28,559
it and the same with the near-death

634
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:30,539
experience science I mean where the

635
00:26:34,850 --> 00:26:32,159
near-death experience science really

636
00:26:37,850 --> 00:26:34,860
takes us in a way that would directly

637
00:26:41,210 --> 00:26:37,860
contradict this idea of the aliens are

638
00:26:44,029 --> 00:26:41,220
running the show there is the stuff that

639
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:44,039
is the cross-cultural cross time look at

640
00:26:49,730 --> 00:26:46,559
near-death experience so you look at Dr

641
00:26:52,250 --> 00:26:49,740
Gregory shushan trained at Oxford

642
00:26:55,370 --> 00:26:52,260
College of London now publishes peer

643
00:26:57,169 --> 00:26:55,380
review papers of you know 600 700 years

644
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:57,179
ago all these

645
00:27:02,630 --> 00:26:59,520
near-death experience accounts across

646
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:02,640
culture across time and they all lead to

647
00:27:08,750 --> 00:27:06,000
beliefs in an afterlife belief that's

648
00:27:10,970 --> 00:27:08,760
relatively consistent with modern day

649
00:27:13,070 --> 00:27:10,980
near-death experience plus you have the

650
00:27:15,409 --> 00:27:13,080
current near-death experience science

651
00:27:17,870 --> 00:27:15,419
which would contradict a lot of what's

652
00:27:20,450 --> 00:27:17,880
going on but what does come through

653
00:27:24,049 --> 00:27:20,460
I think is the exactly what you're

654
00:27:26,810 --> 00:27:24,059
talking about is the potential for there

655
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:26,820
being some technological component to

656
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:30,480
both of those things that is possibly

657
00:27:37,610 --> 00:27:32,640
being interfered with I mean we can't

658
00:27:39,409 --> 00:27:37,620
turn away from that data but when I read

659
00:27:42,169 --> 00:27:39,419
some of that stuff and people are like I

660
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:42,179
got it all handled and Jesus told me and

661
00:27:47,090 --> 00:27:44,640
reincarnation isn't real and near-death

662
00:27:50,690 --> 00:27:47,100
experience that doesn't hold up to to

663
00:27:53,810 --> 00:27:50,700
scrutiny either so I'm kind of

664
00:27:56,990 --> 00:27:53,820
struggling with all the great

665
00:27:59,450 --> 00:27:57,000
information you guys are bringing in and

666
00:28:02,510 --> 00:27:59,460
then sorting it out in a way that is

667
00:28:04,970 --> 00:28:02,520
consistent with this other body of

668
00:28:08,210 --> 00:28:04,980
science that just doesn't seem to to

669
00:28:09,649 --> 00:28:08,220
work its way into this work either so I

670
00:28:13,010 --> 00:28:09,659
know I'm laying a lot on the table here

671
00:28:15,169 --> 00:28:13,020
is any of that I wish I heard of this

672
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:15,179
guy because it because I know I've had

673
00:28:20,330 --> 00:28:17,520
clients who have had experiences where

674
00:28:23,570 --> 00:28:20,340
they were recycled in an unnatural way

675
00:28:25,370 --> 00:28:23,580
in incarnated in bodies where they

676
00:28:28,010 --> 00:28:25,380
remembered I mean this actually happens

677
00:28:30,830 --> 00:28:28,020
a lot with the my labs and the people in

678
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:30,840
the secret space program where it's as

679
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:33,840
if they made a bargain in another life

680
00:28:38,930 --> 00:28:36,720
sometimes it's in a Nazi era where they

681
00:28:41,330 --> 00:28:38,940
were high up in the SS and were in the

682
00:28:43,850 --> 00:28:41,340
occult level making Oaths to these

683
00:28:46,610 --> 00:28:43,860
entities or something and then or

684
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:46,620
entrapped to work for them and basically

685
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:48,480
promising even beyond the grave that

686
00:28:53,630 --> 00:28:50,640
they'll work for them and then finding

687
00:28:56,450 --> 00:28:53,640
that after they died their soul was

688
00:28:58,370 --> 00:28:56,460
taken and then held like in a test tube

689
00:29:01,250 --> 00:28:58,380
or something and then recycled into a

690
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:01,260
body and then they had recall of what

691
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:04,080
they were you know in the Nazi era you

692
00:29:07,070 --> 00:29:05,039
know

693
00:29:08,690 --> 00:29:07,080
that that way and then they were my labs

694
00:29:09,769 --> 00:29:08,700
this time around and when one of these

695
00:29:11,930 --> 00:29:09,779
programs

696
00:29:13,310 --> 00:29:11,940
so I've had some who remembered like

697
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:13,320
where they were murdered and then their

698
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:15,600
soul was captured in like a lower astral

699
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:17,279
realm and then recycled into another

700
00:29:20,990 --> 00:29:19,919
body that was put into directly into a

701
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:21,000
project

702
00:29:25,789 --> 00:29:23,279
so it so the natural maybe the natural

703
00:29:27,950 --> 00:29:25,799
reincarnation system would be you know

704
00:29:30,350 --> 00:29:27,960
you go up to a higher realm and then you

705
00:29:32,930 --> 00:29:30,360
work with higher beings that maybe you

706
00:29:35,450 --> 00:29:32,940
make a decision to come back

707
00:29:36,889 --> 00:29:35,460
for some reason but in some of these

708
00:29:38,510 --> 00:29:36,899
other experiences it's like they don't

709
00:29:41,149 --> 00:29:38,520
go up to the higher Realms they actually

710
00:29:42,289 --> 00:29:41,159
get recycled from a lower astral and

711
00:29:45,470 --> 00:29:42,299
then they'll they actually have more

712
00:29:48,830 --> 00:29:45,480
recall of the life before and then

713
00:29:50,930 --> 00:29:48,840
they'll remember like in the 1940s or

714
00:29:53,870 --> 00:29:50,940
something that's really strange

715
00:29:55,970 --> 00:29:53,880
but that's not real common but I've had

716
00:29:57,889 --> 00:29:55,980
it happen enough times where I'm

717
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:57,899
thinking something has happened where

718
00:30:02,330 --> 00:30:00,000
they they're able to well that that's

719
00:30:05,450 --> 00:30:02,340
the weird stuff capture the soul and

720
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:05,460
transfer the soul a type of transfer of

721
00:30:11,389 --> 00:30:08,880
Soul Consciousness technology so yeah

722
00:30:14,210 --> 00:30:11,399
I'm just not I'm not convinced that we

723
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:14,220
can rely on those

724
00:30:21,289 --> 00:30:19,919
kind of uh accounts directly I I but I

725
00:30:22,850 --> 00:30:21,299
think I I want to make sure you

726
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:22,860
understand where I'm coming from because

727
00:30:28,029 --> 00:30:25,919
we run into the exact same thing exact

728
00:30:31,789 --> 00:30:28,039
same thing with near-death experience

729
00:30:35,630 --> 00:30:31,799
accounts right where there was an

730
00:30:37,789 --> 00:30:35,640
overall pattern there that is to a

731
00:30:40,010 --> 00:30:37,799
certain extent verify verifiable by

732
00:30:41,810 --> 00:30:40,020
science you know so the near-death

733
00:30:43,850 --> 00:30:41,820
experience the history is these people

734
00:30:45,169 --> 00:30:43,860
start having near-death experiences and

735
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:45,179
the scientists get involved and said

736
00:30:48,590 --> 00:30:47,039
wait a minute these things are all over

737
00:30:50,450 --> 00:30:48,600
the board this guy had a near-death

738
00:30:52,250 --> 00:30:50,460
experience jumping off the Golden Gate

739
00:30:54,169 --> 00:30:52,260
Bridge this person had it when they were

740
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:54,179
in a plane crash this person what we

741
00:30:59,389 --> 00:30:57,360
need to do is study this scientifically

742
00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:59,399
medically so then they started bringing

743
00:31:03,169 --> 00:31:00,960
the near-death experience into the

744
00:31:06,289 --> 00:31:03,179
cardiac arrest Ward and they go okay now

745
00:31:08,750 --> 00:31:06,299
we got it we can basically control for

746
00:31:10,610 --> 00:31:08,760
the physiology we know what happens when

747
00:31:12,289 --> 00:31:10,620
your heart stops we know that the blood

748
00:31:14,930 --> 00:31:12,299
flow to your brain stops we know you

749
00:31:16,970 --> 00:31:14,940
can't have conscious memories let alone

750
00:31:19,610 --> 00:31:16,980
the most profound experience of your

751
00:31:22,190 --> 00:31:19,620
life there's no way to explain that from

752
00:31:23,630 --> 00:31:22,200
our current neurological model so when

753
00:31:26,269 --> 00:31:23,640
we do that we bring it into the hospital

754
00:31:28,370 --> 00:31:26,279
and now we get the same things happening

755
00:31:31,850 --> 00:31:28,380
in terms of near-death experience we can

756
00:31:34,010 --> 00:31:31,860
go aha we we do have reason to believe

757
00:31:37,850 --> 00:31:34,020
the Consciousness survives bodily death

758
00:31:39,950 --> 00:31:37,860
but the accounts no we can't really

759
00:31:41,090 --> 00:31:39,960
process these accounts like I told you I

760
00:31:43,850 --> 00:31:41,100
mean I got

761
00:31:46,250 --> 00:31:43,860
I got a guy who comes back and says hey

762
00:31:48,049 --> 00:31:46,260
I saw Jesus and I said well you know

763
00:31:50,510 --> 00:31:48,059
Christ Consciousness I get it you know

764
00:31:51,950 --> 00:31:50,520
it's a tulpa kind of thing maybe we

765
00:31:54,590 --> 00:31:51,960
don't know what it is but you know

766
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:54,600
whatever he's like no it was Jesus and a

767
00:31:58,370 --> 00:31:55,919
matter of fact he goes around to

768
00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:58,380
churches and he kind of says if you

769
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:01,440
didn't see Jesus then you know your nde

770
00:32:05,330 --> 00:32:03,600
is probably satanic and all the rest of

771
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:05,340
this nonsense

772
00:32:11,090 --> 00:32:07,679
alls I can say from a science standpoint

773
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:11,100
is the near-death experience science as

774
00:32:17,630 --> 00:32:13,440
a whole does not agree with Ian

775
00:32:19,549 --> 00:32:17,640
McCormick's wacky christian-centric idea

776
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:19,559
of near-death experiences most

777
00:32:25,310 --> 00:32:21,600
near-death experiences like 80 90

778
00:32:28,909 --> 00:32:25,320
percent say yes God yes love yes

779
00:32:30,830 --> 00:32:28,919
universal truth but no to uh to religion

780
00:32:33,470 --> 00:32:30,840
and stuff like that I don't even know if

781
00:32:35,570 --> 00:32:33,480
how how much would How firm we'd want to

782
00:32:39,070 --> 00:32:35,580
be on that but the one thing that comes

783
00:32:41,450 --> 00:32:39,080
through Evie is do not rely on

784
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:41,460
individual accounts that's like the

785
00:32:46,669 --> 00:32:44,159
conversation I just had with Vinnie who

786
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:46,679
is terrific but at the end I said and

787
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:48,720
then he was super open super great guy

788
00:32:53,810 --> 00:32:52,320
and it lives the lives this the spirit

789
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:53,820
of uh

790
00:32:56,750 --> 00:32:55,440
someone who's been spiritually

791
00:32:58,970 --> 00:32:56,760
transformed by their near-death

792
00:33:02,269 --> 00:32:58,980
experience but his thing is ultimately

793
00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:02,279
goes yeah I get it these lessons that I

794
00:33:07,310 --> 00:33:04,200
learned in my near-death experience were

795
00:33:10,430 --> 00:33:07,320
Vinnie's lessons for Vinnie to learn not

796
00:33:13,070 --> 00:33:10,440
to go out and proselytize and

797
00:33:14,810 --> 00:33:13,080
you know bang Bibles on people and all

798
00:33:16,730 --> 00:33:14,820
the rest of this stuff that's not how

799
00:33:19,549 --> 00:33:16,740
God doesn't work that way you know I

800
00:33:21,950 --> 00:33:19,559
mean God is moving all of us along our

801
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:21,960
own path in

802
00:33:26,450 --> 00:33:24,960
in our own way kind of thing so

803
00:33:28,549 --> 00:33:26,460
do you understand I mean some of the

804
00:33:31,250 --> 00:33:28,559
accounts in the book no

805
00:33:33,409 --> 00:33:31,260
Ted's account no the Christian centered

806
00:33:35,690 --> 00:33:33,419
stuff all the Christian centered stuff

807
00:33:38,690 --> 00:33:35,700
just the Jesus stuff is completely

808
00:33:40,430 --> 00:33:38,700
inconsistent from a logical basis with

809
00:33:42,669 --> 00:33:40,440
anything else we know about near-death

810
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:42,679
experience anything else we know about

811
00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:45,120
continuation of Consciousness near-death

812
00:33:50,570 --> 00:33:47,360
experience it just doesn't fit and yet

813
00:33:53,149 --> 00:33:50,580
why are we trying to jam that in there

814
00:33:54,889 --> 00:33:53,159
yeah I'm just curious about how little

815
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:54,899
research there is and I think in the

816
00:34:00,769 --> 00:33:57,600
Asian and the Taoist

817
00:34:02,690 --> 00:34:00,779
um perspective of what happens at death

818
00:34:04,370 --> 00:34:02,700
and the dissolution of the five elements

819
00:34:06,529 --> 00:34:04,380
and what happens with our Consciousness

820
00:34:08,930 --> 00:34:06,539
and what goes to the higher Realms and

821
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:08,940
what goes back to Earth and how they

822
00:34:15,409 --> 00:34:12,480
perceive an nde or when a soul comes

823
00:34:18,589 --> 00:34:15,419
back or when a soul is transferred like

824
00:34:20,510 --> 00:34:18,599
there must be you know ways that they do

825
00:34:21,889 --> 00:34:20,520
this in different ways like in Oriental

826
00:34:24,169 --> 00:34:21,899
medicine I studied Oriental medicine

827
00:34:27,290 --> 00:34:24,179
before I got my other degree because I

828
00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:27,300
was I knew there was more to this and

829
00:34:31,970 --> 00:34:29,280
and one of the reasons why was to try to

830
00:34:34,609 --> 00:34:31,980
figure out what do we not know in our

831
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:34,619
Western model of thinking that these

832
00:34:38,750 --> 00:34:36,960
other beings must know how they're

833
00:34:40,490 --> 00:34:38,760
affecting us and how can we apply

834
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:40,500
understanding things in a different way

835
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:42,960
so that we can work with this in a

836
00:34:47,329 --> 00:34:45,359
different way and so incorporating let's

837
00:34:50,649 --> 00:34:47,339
say a Taoist model of the five elements

838
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:50,659
for example and how that might change

839
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:52,560
you know how they affect our

840
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:53,760
consciousness

841
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:55,679
and how are you familiar with the

842
00:35:00,589 --> 00:34:58,800
Tibetan Book of the Dead yes because I

843
00:35:02,089 --> 00:35:00,599
was a Tibetan Buddhist for many years as

844
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:02,099
a matter of fact and learned you know

845
00:35:07,490 --> 00:35:04,560
dream yoga and um did many meditation

846
00:35:09,410 --> 00:35:07,500
Retreats and you know so I think there

847
00:35:11,870 --> 00:35:09,420
must be other ways to understand this

848
00:35:14,089 --> 00:35:11,880
and even like the whole rainbow body

849
00:35:16,609 --> 00:35:14,099
thing that there must be something that

850
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:16,619
happens scientifically if there's enough

851
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:18,960
of these cases where you know the the

852
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:20,880
body literally disappears except for the

853
00:35:24,589 --> 00:35:22,560
hair and nails and they and they

854
00:35:27,230 --> 00:35:24,599
transform and transmute into light

855
00:35:29,150 --> 00:35:27,240
there's something going on there that we

856
00:35:31,490 --> 00:35:29,160
have yet to have I think scientific

857
00:35:33,470 --> 00:35:31,500
evidence in the western world that knows

858
00:35:36,410 --> 00:35:33,480
what's going on there

859
00:35:38,329 --> 00:35:36,420
so so let me ask you because you

860
00:35:41,870 --> 00:35:38,339
probably know more about this than I do

861
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:41,880
and I I'd love to to learn and expand on

862
00:35:44,990 --> 00:35:43,680
this stuff so you take the Tibetan Book

863
00:35:47,930 --> 00:35:45,000
of the Dead

864
00:35:51,470 --> 00:35:47,940
which is very uh uh precise and is

865
00:35:53,450 --> 00:35:51,480
really just one book among a larger kind

866
00:35:56,030 --> 00:35:53,460
of Canon they have about what's

867
00:35:58,490 --> 00:35:56,040
happening at this near death EX at this

868
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:58,500
near-death time this after death time

869
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:01,200
and this between lives time and then

870
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:04,320
this free Incarnation time so how is

871
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:07,200
that how how are you squaring that with

872
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:10,560
what you're hearing from people who are

873
00:36:15,230 --> 00:36:13,200
having these kinds of experiences

874
00:36:16,370 --> 00:36:15,240
well I think people have experiences

875
00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:16,380
based on

876
00:36:20,690 --> 00:36:19,020
their level of perception and and I

877
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:20,700
think actually even a practicing

878
00:36:24,890 --> 00:36:23,040
Buddhist who who does a meditation

879
00:36:27,050 --> 00:36:24,900
practice or let's say lucid dreaming and

880
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:27,060
dream yoga would have a better ability

881
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:29,520
to have a better purity of perception

882
00:36:33,410 --> 00:36:31,920
let's say within an experience and be

883
00:36:36,589 --> 00:36:33,420
able to assess it from a different

884
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:36,599
standpoint if you can be free of quote

885
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:39,119
attachment and greed and fear and desire

886
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:41,119
and be in this like witnessing

887
00:36:46,670 --> 00:36:43,760
Consciousness to observe what happens

888
00:36:48,650 --> 00:36:46,680
and so this is actually a place where

889
00:36:50,569 --> 00:36:48,660
where I'm going in my research with

890
00:36:53,870 --> 00:36:50,579
people who do DreamWork and Lucid

891
00:36:57,470 --> 00:36:53,880
DreamWork in order to observe how this

892
00:36:59,710 --> 00:36:57,480
happens in within Lucidity and then how

893
00:37:03,230 --> 00:36:59,720
to prevent it from happening and how to

894
00:37:05,329 --> 00:37:03,240
directly access what we call spiritual

895
00:37:07,790 --> 00:37:05,339
truth communication and archetypal

896
00:37:08,810 --> 00:37:07,800
language and symbols that happen in a in

897
00:37:11,930 --> 00:37:08,820
a dream

898
00:37:14,450 --> 00:37:11,940
and then working with that to find out

899
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:14,460
how we can connect with our higher power

900
00:37:21,410 --> 00:37:17,599
of Truth so that we understand

901
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:21,420
what's interacting with us from its how

902
00:37:24,410 --> 00:37:22,800
it's being communicated through the

903
00:37:27,050 --> 00:37:24,420
direct truth of what our spirit is

904
00:37:29,329 --> 00:37:27,060
telling us in Lucidity and I know it's

905
00:37:31,609 --> 00:37:29,339
kind of like a whole jumble of words but

906
00:37:34,490 --> 00:37:31,619
in order to assess correctly we really

907
00:37:37,010 --> 00:37:34,500
need to know let's say in the body and

908
00:37:39,170 --> 00:37:37,020
out of the body and in different states

909
00:37:41,569 --> 00:37:39,180
of Consciousness what we're really

910
00:37:43,609 --> 00:37:41,579
perceiving and what we're assuming who

911
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:43,619
our identity even is

912
00:37:49,010 --> 00:37:46,560
so this gets back to like really having

913
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:49,020
to recover our own traumas and getting

914
00:37:53,450 --> 00:37:51,359
really really clear on nothing but our

915
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:53,460
our awareness of beingness that goes

916
00:37:59,210 --> 00:37:56,400
beyond even our personality

917
00:38:01,849 --> 00:37:59,220
and so we can do this and I think there

918
00:38:04,250 --> 00:38:01,859
are some people who do but it's not an

919
00:38:06,170 --> 00:38:04,260
easy place it's not something easy to do

920
00:38:08,089 --> 00:38:06,180
while you're still in trauma and not

921
00:38:10,490 --> 00:38:08,099
getting your human needs met to even

922
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:10,500
let's say meditate or pay your bills or

923
00:38:14,810 --> 00:38:13,200
be free of abuse you know but I think

924
00:38:17,930 --> 00:38:14,820
there's different ways to perceive this

925
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:17,940
more correctly if we can have Lucidity

926
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:20,400
and calmness in different states of

927
00:38:25,849 --> 00:38:22,160
consciousness

928
00:38:30,170 --> 00:38:25,859
while there's there's a ton there I've

929
00:38:32,690 --> 00:38:30,180
done a couple of shows on dream yoga and

930
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:32,700
as a practice exactly what you're saying

931
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:34,320
one of the gentlemen I interviewed was

932
00:38:39,230 --> 00:38:35,760
was just terrific he was on the

933
00:38:41,210 --> 00:38:39,240
mentorship of his Buddhist Elder kind of

934
00:38:43,370 --> 00:38:41,220
guy and what I remember I thought was

935
00:38:45,530 --> 00:38:43,380
really interesting he was doing dream

936
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:45,540
yoga and he was somewhat successful at

937
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:47,520
reaching these other states and as

938
00:38:52,250 --> 00:38:50,400
you're saying being detached enough to

939
00:38:53,210 --> 00:38:52,260
kind of observe and then the guy goes

940
00:38:55,550 --> 00:38:53,220
okay

941
00:38:58,250 --> 00:38:55,560
so now what you have to do is you have

942
00:39:01,089 --> 00:38:58,260
to go into the hell space I don't know

943
00:39:03,950 --> 00:39:01,099
it's like that's what he said he said

944
00:39:05,210 --> 00:39:03,960
but eventually he you know he built up

945
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:05,220
the

946
00:39:14,750 --> 00:39:10,160
doing that but what I really took away

947
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:14,760
was that this is these are are practices

948
00:39:19,250 --> 00:39:17,520
that have been carried out for a long

949
00:39:21,230 --> 00:39:19,260
period of time they have a lot of

950
00:39:23,569 --> 00:39:21,240
expertise on it in exactly the way that

951
00:39:25,370 --> 00:39:23,579
you're talking about and can lead people

952
00:39:26,650 --> 00:39:25,380
through it in a way that does seem

953
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:26,660
pretty

954
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,040
quasi-scientific in a way like hey just

955
00:39:33,230 --> 00:39:31,440
tell me what you observed you know uh

956
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:33,240
kind of like

957
00:39:38,690 --> 00:39:36,720
a good hypnotherapist does with uh Alien

958
00:39:40,430 --> 00:39:38,700
abductee I could only go from my

959
00:39:42,890 --> 00:39:40,440
personal experience where I had a direct

960
00:39:45,230 --> 00:39:42,900
realization which is different from an

961
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:45,240
experience a direct realization of

962
00:39:49,609 --> 00:39:47,040
Eternal beingness that is beyond the

963
00:39:51,770 --> 00:39:49,619
fragment of Personality identity that we

964
00:39:54,290 --> 00:39:51,780
have in these human bodies or even out

965
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:54,300
of the body in this so

966
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:56,400
and I knew that it was related to Christ

967
00:40:02,870 --> 00:39:59,760
Jesus but it was more like a

968
00:40:04,849 --> 00:40:02,880
a memory realization and so that

969
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:04,859
actually kept me on a trail of trying to

970
00:40:09,290 --> 00:40:06,960
discover what was that about and

971
00:40:12,109 --> 00:40:09,300
actually led me to Buddhism more than

972
00:40:13,730 --> 00:40:12,119
anything else in dream yoga and trying

973
00:40:15,650 --> 00:40:13,740
to understand things from that

974
00:40:18,010 --> 00:40:15,660
perspective knowing that there is an

975
00:40:21,470 --> 00:40:18,020
eternal beingness that is our true

976
00:40:23,569 --> 00:40:21,480
identity and our true home and that this

977
00:40:27,170 --> 00:40:23,579
is a dreaming so we are actually

978
00:40:30,349 --> 00:40:27,180
dreaming this body here like code

979
00:40:32,810 --> 00:40:30,359
dreaming it so if we can get Lucid in

980
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:32,820
our dreaming here and our dreamings and

981
00:40:38,810 --> 00:40:35,280
our quote sleep dreams we can have a

982
00:40:40,370 --> 00:40:38,820
clearer way of perceiving what our real

983
00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:40,380
nature is

984
00:40:45,650 --> 00:40:43,320
that's above and beyond personality

985
00:40:49,250 --> 00:40:45,660
so that's but I knew that deep inside

986
00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:49,260
based on my experience but even with I

987
00:40:53,930 --> 00:40:51,839
think Buddhist in practice I think it

988
00:40:56,990 --> 00:40:53,940
has a lot of value when they tell you

989
00:40:58,970 --> 00:40:57,000
that not to identify too strongly with

990
00:41:01,550 --> 00:40:58,980
the thoughts that are coming in or with

991
00:41:03,710 --> 00:41:01,560
what you're fearing or Desiring and

992
00:41:06,109 --> 00:41:03,720
trying to stay kind of clear and calm

993
00:41:07,849 --> 00:41:06,119
and then just observe the arising of

994
00:41:11,150 --> 00:41:07,859
what what's happening in the experience

995
00:41:13,250 --> 00:41:11,160
and that I think that has great value so

996
00:41:14,930 --> 00:41:13,260
that you you start to see what's coming

997
00:41:16,970 --> 00:41:14,940
from your own mind what actually coming

998
00:41:19,490 --> 00:41:16,980
from outside your mind like other people

999
00:41:22,670 --> 00:41:19,500
like telepathy is real okay

1000
00:41:24,770 --> 00:41:22,680
but one thing that I did not learn from

1001
00:41:28,670 --> 00:41:24,780
Tibetan Buddhism or or Advanced

1002
00:41:30,589 --> 00:41:28,680
practices was the depth of complex

1003
00:41:32,750 --> 00:41:30,599
trauma that happens let's say in

1004
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:32,760
relationships in your family of origin

1005
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:36,240
that affect your ability to relate in a

1006
00:41:41,930 --> 00:41:39,359
way where you can actually

1007
00:41:43,970 --> 00:41:41,940
give and receive love in a way where you

1008
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:43,980
feel loved and you feel like you really

1009
00:41:48,050 --> 00:41:46,560
have your true human needs met so in

1010
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:48,060
other words relationships and

1011
00:41:54,609 --> 00:41:50,400
relationship dynamics that are related

1012
00:41:58,190 --> 00:41:54,619
to actually our early attachment

1013
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:58,200
Styles as we're raised is much more

1014
00:42:02,270 --> 00:42:00,720
important in in terms of just being able

1015
00:42:04,190 --> 00:42:02,280
to get on with your life and having a

1016
00:42:07,130 --> 00:42:04,200
balanced life so you can be like a real

1017
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:07,140
Advanced Yogi and meditator and then

1018
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,119
sometimes that just makes you more

1019
00:42:13,370 --> 00:42:11,520
dissociated but it but when you have to

1020
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:13,380
go back to the real relationship stuff

1021
00:42:19,069 --> 00:42:16,560
or going deep into the origins of

1022
00:42:22,130 --> 00:42:19,079
complex trauma and the identities that

1023
00:42:25,069 --> 00:42:22,140
we created as a result or a response to

1024
00:42:26,990 --> 00:42:25,079
that trauma we have to go beyond that to

1025
00:42:29,329 --> 00:42:27,000
our Eternal nature that went before our

1026
00:42:32,089 --> 00:42:29,339
personality was even developed even from

1027
00:42:34,190 --> 00:42:32,099
zero years old to six years old so this

1028
00:42:37,370 --> 00:42:34,200
is where you have to go as deep as a

1029
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:37,380
yogi to go to your Eternal nature that

1030
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:39,359
came into this body to begin with and

1031
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:41,760
then then you could transform all that

1032
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:44,400
crap and all that complex trauma so you

1033
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,280
could function from a much more uh I

1034
00:42:52,130 --> 00:42:49,680
don't know enlightened place and not

1035
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:52,140
react to the usual

1036
00:42:56,450 --> 00:42:54,720
triggers and won't have the same kinds

1037
00:42:58,970 --> 00:42:56,460
of relationship patterns that you had

1038
00:43:00,829 --> 00:42:58,980
before because what tends to happen is

1039
00:43:02,690 --> 00:43:00,839
that even though people have gotten

1040
00:43:05,150 --> 00:43:02,700
educated they did all this trauma work

1041
00:43:06,829 --> 00:43:05,160
they still like they're like well I'm a

1042
00:43:09,530 --> 00:43:06,839
narc magnet you know they keep running

1043
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:09,540
into like these narcissists or well

1044
00:43:13,730 --> 00:43:12,000
they'll run into you know these bad

1045
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:13,740
relationships and they don't know why

1046
00:43:17,390 --> 00:43:15,599
like why does this keep happening and I

1047
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:17,400
know on a cognitive level

1048
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:19,680
this this is not right this doesn't feel

1049
00:43:23,690 --> 00:43:21,599
right but why does it keep happening and

1050
00:43:26,089 --> 00:43:23,700
then kind of have to go through what's

1051
00:43:28,910 --> 00:43:26,099
all that about and having to get to the

1052
00:43:30,770 --> 00:43:28,920
deep root of you know why these things

1053
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:30,780
happen and it I think it kind of goes

1054
00:43:34,849 --> 00:43:32,640
into a little bit of Karma and a little

1055
00:43:37,730 --> 00:43:34,859
bit of understanding the spiritual

1056
00:43:40,490 --> 00:43:37,740
forces behind what's really interacting

1057
00:43:43,069 --> 00:43:40,500
in our lives and directing events and

1058
00:43:45,650 --> 00:43:43,079
timelines so that's where I've had to go

1059
00:43:48,410 --> 00:43:45,660
in order to try to understand like why

1060
00:43:50,930 --> 00:43:48,420
you know do these quote love bite things

1061
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:50,940
keep happening to people who have had

1062
00:43:54,410 --> 00:43:52,800
abductions or they they happen to be

1063
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:54,420
plucked out for this experimental

1064
00:43:58,910 --> 00:43:56,640
project by these alien beings and then

1065
00:44:00,349 --> 00:43:58,920
they keep having these certain patterns

1066
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:00,359
and relationships over and over again

1067
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:03,839
maybe until they learn something new or

1068
00:44:07,849 --> 00:44:06,000
they bypass it in a certain way and then

1069
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:07,859
that that thing doesn't happen anymore

1070
00:44:11,809 --> 00:44:10,319
and then they're off on another project

1071
00:44:14,290 --> 00:44:11,819
or something

1072
00:44:16,670 --> 00:44:14,300
yeah

1073
00:44:19,250 --> 00:44:16,680
well there's a lot deeper things and

1074
00:44:21,530 --> 00:44:19,260
there's so much to to really get into

1075
00:44:23,150 --> 00:44:21,540
it's it's impossible really and I hope

1076
00:44:25,730 --> 00:44:23,160
I'm not going to frustrate you or

1077
00:44:27,770 --> 00:44:25,740
frustrate listeners as I try and parse

1078
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:27,780
through this but we'll just do the best

1079
00:44:31,250 --> 00:44:28,800
we can

1080
00:44:34,609 --> 00:44:31,260
so take what you were just saying there

1081
00:44:37,550 --> 00:44:34,619
which really gets into your main thing

1082
00:44:41,089 --> 00:44:37,560
which is the interference

1083
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:41,099
in a from an anomalous perspective in

1084
00:44:45,410 --> 00:44:43,680
relationships but I am going to want to

1085
00:44:48,250 --> 00:44:45,420
tease it out a little bit because even

1086
00:44:51,170 --> 00:44:48,260
if we just say is it possible that

1087
00:44:54,109 --> 00:44:51,180
malevolent entities as we would

1088
00:44:57,890 --> 00:44:54,119
typically understand them to be demons

1089
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:57,900
dark Forces whatever black magic uh

1090
00:45:02,450 --> 00:44:59,760
whatever are interfering with

1091
00:45:04,370 --> 00:45:02,460
relationships in exactly the way that

1092
00:45:06,829 --> 00:45:04,380
you're talking about there's a ton of

1093
00:45:08,930 --> 00:45:06,839
people that go heck yes I know that

1094
00:45:11,210 --> 00:45:08,940
directly I've talked to some of them and

1095
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:11,220
they said people cast spells and these

1096
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:13,680
other things so whether somebody wants

1097
00:45:19,130 --> 00:45:15,839
to go there or not

1098
00:45:21,770 --> 00:45:19,140
you can again look across culture and

1099
00:45:23,930 --> 00:45:21,780
across time and these things pop up over

1100
00:45:26,270 --> 00:45:23,940
and over and over again that you would

1101
00:45:28,430 --> 00:45:26,280
have to be pretty hard-headed

1102
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:28,440
close-minded materialist to just take

1103
00:45:33,710 --> 00:45:30,480
all of that and just throw it uh throw

1104
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:33,720
it to the side so that's one class of

1105
00:45:38,690 --> 00:45:36,480
this anomalous interference in

1106
00:45:42,050 --> 00:45:38,700
relationships and I want you to speak to

1107
00:45:45,530 --> 00:45:42,060
that and speak to why we would even

1108
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:45,540
suspect that that is happening for all

1109
00:45:50,270 --> 00:45:46,560
the reasons that we're just talking

1110
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:50,280
about a minute ago and then is the

1111
00:45:54,829 --> 00:45:51,920
ET non-human intelligence thing

1112
00:45:56,690 --> 00:45:54,839
different because it feels to me like

1113
00:45:57,410 --> 00:45:56,700
it's different and yet we kind of I

1114
00:45:59,329 --> 00:45:57,420
think

1115
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:59,339
blend them together in a way that isn't

1116
00:46:02,809 --> 00:46:00,480
super helpful because there's a

1117
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:02,819
technology component there there's a

1118
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:04,319
different agenda

1119
00:46:10,130 --> 00:46:07,440
component there is that a can we

1120
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:10,140
bifurcate that way or do they bleed over

1121
00:46:12,890 --> 00:46:11,280
too much in ways that we don't

1122
00:46:15,410 --> 00:46:12,900
understand

1123
00:46:17,569 --> 00:46:15,420
no I think you've said all of that

1124
00:46:19,730 --> 00:46:17,579
actually is true there are definitely

1125
00:46:22,670 --> 00:46:19,740
what they call attached entities and

1126
00:46:24,829 --> 00:46:22,680
demonic overlays and sometimes full-on

1127
00:46:27,290 --> 00:46:24,839
possession and um I've had clients

1128
00:46:28,970 --> 00:46:27,300
report those things to me where it would

1129
00:46:31,550 --> 00:46:28,980
happen like the classic one would be

1130
00:46:34,970 --> 00:46:31,560
like a reptilian lizard snake-like being

1131
00:46:37,490 --> 00:46:34,980
went overshadow the lover that they're

1132
00:46:39,290 --> 00:46:37,500
having sex with and then all of a sudden

1133
00:46:41,150 --> 00:46:39,300
they'll see them like shape-shift while

1134
00:46:43,250 --> 00:46:41,160
they're having sex because it's the

1135
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:43,260
entity that's actually feeding on the

1136
00:46:47,329 --> 00:46:45,359
Sexual Energy so a lot of times

1137
00:46:49,130 --> 00:46:47,339
clairvoyantly you just like actually you

1138
00:46:52,609 --> 00:46:49,140
literally see it like in your third eye

1139
00:46:54,890 --> 00:46:52,619
for people who are some some even normal

1140
00:46:58,250 --> 00:46:54,900
non-psychics can see it because it's

1141
00:47:01,130 --> 00:46:58,260
it's so amazing when that happens so

1142
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:01,140
people see things like shape-shifty so

1143
00:47:05,630 --> 00:47:03,359
that definitely happens and

1144
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:05,640
the I don't know I mean

1145
00:47:09,530 --> 00:47:07,920
a lot of people are naturally psychic

1146
00:47:11,329 --> 00:47:09,540
and so they perceive these things or

1147
00:47:14,450 --> 00:47:11,339
Paranormal Activity like when somebody

1148
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:14,460
comes over like after they if there's in

1149
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,319
my book like let's say you start dating

1150
00:47:19,849 --> 00:47:18,480
someone and you have this interesting

1151
00:47:21,890 --> 00:47:19,859
attraction and you have a lot of these

1152
00:47:24,530 --> 00:47:21,900
weird synchronicities that happen that

1153
00:47:26,510 --> 00:47:24,540
sometimes it's mixed up with uh now it's

1154
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:26,520
mixed up with technology like texting

1155
00:47:31,010 --> 00:47:29,040
and Ai and all that kind of I think

1156
00:47:32,930 --> 00:47:31,020
there's a connection there but let's say

1157
00:47:35,809 --> 00:47:32,940
after dating them and then this entity

1158
00:47:38,809 --> 00:47:35,819
keeps visiting you that's like a demonic

1159
00:47:40,910 --> 00:47:38,819
uh strange entity that's connected to

1160
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:40,920
the the partner you were dating in is

1161
00:47:46,190 --> 00:47:43,680
like a demon and so then you have to do

1162
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:46,200
like a a clearing and a prayer and a

1163
00:47:49,550 --> 00:47:48,000
whatever to clear yourself from the

1164
00:47:52,250 --> 00:47:49,560
entity you actually got from somebody

1165
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:52,260
you dated and that sometimes you could

1166
00:47:55,849 --> 00:47:54,240
see it like overshadowing like literally

1167
00:47:58,190 --> 00:47:55,859
it's like a shadow that comes over them

1168
00:48:00,109 --> 00:47:58,200
or their their eyes will change or

1169
00:48:02,270 --> 00:48:00,119
they'll have a sudden personality shift

1170
00:48:04,190 --> 00:48:02,280
where you know you know something

1171
00:48:06,109 --> 00:48:04,200
unnatural just happened and then it

1172
00:48:08,329 --> 00:48:06,119
could happen when you're you're

1173
00:48:10,670 --> 00:48:08,339
stop or your cell phone battery becomes

1174
00:48:12,290 --> 00:48:10,680
dead and like with abductions for

1175
00:48:15,170 --> 00:48:12,300
example we would know something happened

1176
00:48:17,690 --> 00:48:15,180
if you know the same night you know your

1177
00:48:19,309 --> 00:48:17,700
cell phone battery like went dead and

1178
00:48:20,270 --> 00:48:19,319
you had to recharge it like over and

1179
00:48:21,710 --> 00:48:20,280
over and over again there was nothing

1180
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:21,720
wrong with your phone and then three

1181
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:23,760
light bulbs in the house burned out like

1182
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:25,680
on the same night and then on the same

1183
00:48:28,609 --> 00:48:27,359
night like two people in the house had

1184
00:48:30,829 --> 00:48:28,619
the same dream that something really

1185
00:48:33,370 --> 00:48:30,839
weird happened and then at the same time

1186
00:48:35,690 --> 00:48:33,380
so you knew like something happened

1187
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:35,700
because all these different things

1188
00:48:39,650 --> 00:48:37,440
happened at the same time so we would

1189
00:48:41,930 --> 00:48:39,660
start connecting the dots that you know

1190
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:41,940
electrical malfunctions cell phone

1191
00:48:46,730 --> 00:48:44,400
batteries Technologies and weird

1192
00:48:48,829 --> 00:48:46,740
nightmares or missing time would happen

1193
00:48:50,329 --> 00:48:48,839
you know around the same time

1194
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:50,339
so that we would know there's there's

1195
00:48:56,089 --> 00:48:52,400
something going on and it does affect

1196
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:56,099
electrical equipment we know that it can

1197
00:49:00,170 --> 00:48:57,359
affect your health you could wake up

1198
00:49:01,670 --> 00:49:00,180
with body marks and stuff so

1199
00:49:03,710 --> 00:49:01,680
um so I believe you know these things

1200
00:49:07,069 --> 00:49:03,720
happen based on what people report to me

1201
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:07,079
and then how it feels when when you're

1202
00:49:11,150 --> 00:49:08,640
around someone who's

1203
00:49:13,010 --> 00:49:11,160
who's hosted I mean it's hard not to if

1204
00:49:15,530 --> 00:49:13,020
you're an empathic person and you're

1205
00:49:17,569 --> 00:49:15,540
like around somebody who's got an entity

1206
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:17,579
you could feel it sometimes you could

1207
00:49:22,550 --> 00:49:19,920
see it you know and and it seems like

1208
00:49:24,589 --> 00:49:22,560
many of the people who have had lifelong

1209
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:24,599
abductions first one reason or another

1210
00:49:27,710 --> 00:49:26,160
I'm sure Mary Rodwell might have

1211
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:27,720
mentioned this it's like they're all

1212
00:49:31,730 --> 00:49:29,520
basically psychic all these people are

1213
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:31,740
just they're naturally psychic and

1214
00:49:36,050 --> 00:49:33,839
sometimes the reason why these military

1215
00:49:37,609 --> 00:49:36,060
groups take them is because they were

1216
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:37,619
already psychic as children and then

1217
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:39,119
they want to turn around and use them

1218
00:49:43,550 --> 00:49:41,040
and these other projects and use them as

1219
00:49:45,290 --> 00:49:43,560
remote viewers or psychic spies or or

1220
00:49:47,210 --> 00:49:45,300
whatever and they're doing these other

1221
00:49:49,849 --> 00:49:47,220
things clandestinely and they're hiding

1222
00:49:52,670 --> 00:49:49,859
under some like an alien abduction

1223
00:49:54,770 --> 00:49:52,680
so it's through the people who've had

1224
00:49:56,450 --> 00:49:54,780
more Clairvoyant perception that they're

1225
00:49:58,130 --> 00:49:56,460
able to see a little bit more of what's

1226
00:49:59,870 --> 00:49:58,140
going on they just can get a little bit

1227
00:50:01,609 --> 00:49:59,880
bigger picture

1228
00:50:04,370 --> 00:50:01,619
but I don't think that means that they

1229
00:50:07,370 --> 00:50:04,380
can't be deceived by the entities that

1230
00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:07,380
are masquerading and doing things

1231
00:50:11,870 --> 00:50:09,839
in fact one of the things that that I

1232
00:50:14,089 --> 00:50:11,880
believe is like the hugest thing that we

1233
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:14,099
can do to empower ourselves as humans is

1234
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:17,040
number one we need to be able to recover

1235
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:19,680
and heal from complex trauma and truly

1236
00:50:23,569 --> 00:50:21,359
understand online a purely human

1237
00:50:25,010 --> 00:50:23,579
psychological level and the body and the

1238
00:50:27,470 --> 00:50:25,020
nervous system okay that's real simple

1239
00:50:30,410 --> 00:50:27,480
science and then if we could truly

1240
00:50:32,210 --> 00:50:30,420
recover and get what we truly need and

1241
00:50:35,630 --> 00:50:32,220
and you know go through recovery that

1242
00:50:37,849 --> 00:50:35,640
way that will help one level of not

1243
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:37,859
being vulnerable but the other level is

1244
00:50:43,069 --> 00:50:40,160
spiritual deception which actually

1245
00:50:45,829 --> 00:50:43,079
blocks your ability to perceive clearly

1246
00:50:47,630 --> 00:50:45,839
what your eternal spirit and quote the

1247
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:47,640
spirit of the all that is that is good

1248
00:50:52,670 --> 00:50:51,119
would be trying to tell you so what we

1249
00:50:54,890 --> 00:50:52,680
noticed what was happening this is part

1250
00:50:57,230 --> 00:50:54,900
of Dr Corrado malanga's research of

1251
00:50:59,569 --> 00:50:57,240
Italy who work with abductees and he

1252
00:51:02,870 --> 00:50:59,579
found that these entities that are let's

1253
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:02,880
say not as benevolent they we have

1254
00:51:06,530 --> 00:51:04,319
something that they don't have therefore

1255
00:51:08,990 --> 00:51:06,540
they want it okay so it's kind of like

1256
00:51:10,670 --> 00:51:09,000
the eternal spirit battery they want so

1257
00:51:12,829 --> 00:51:10,680
they could live through us like

1258
00:51:15,770 --> 00:51:12,839
parasites and just kind of put in their

1259
00:51:17,569 --> 00:51:15,780
flash drive of Consciousness mind and

1260
00:51:20,210 --> 00:51:17,579
then live through us and have us do what

1261
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:20,220
they want us to do and to believe and so

1262
00:51:26,210 --> 00:51:23,520
they could interfere in the ability to

1263
00:51:28,670 --> 00:51:26,220
perceive and communicate with our higher

1264
00:51:30,829 --> 00:51:28,680
self for example and then be able to

1265
00:51:33,049 --> 00:51:30,839
pretend they're our spirit guide or

1266
00:51:35,630 --> 00:51:33,059
there may be a past life memory or we we

1267
00:51:37,490 --> 00:51:35,640
are an alien in a past life or make us

1268
00:51:40,010 --> 00:51:37,500
think things and have downloads and

1269
00:51:43,069 --> 00:51:40,020
memories that really come from a

1270
00:51:45,250 --> 00:51:43,079
different place so this is where this is

1271
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:45,260
where we have to be absolutely

1272
00:51:51,230 --> 00:51:48,720
uh serious and honest about wanting to

1273
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:51,240
connect with the most high regardless of

1274
00:51:56,089 --> 00:51:54,240
what we were believing before and on the

1275
00:51:58,190 --> 00:51:56,099
only the truth no matter how hard it

1276
00:52:01,069 --> 00:51:58,200
hurts so that we can connect with the

1277
00:52:03,049 --> 00:52:01,079
most high and have that show us so we

1278
00:52:05,690 --> 00:52:03,059
can receive the truth and then be able

1279
00:52:08,329 --> 00:52:05,700
to perceive how that comes to us in our

1280
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:08,339
unique way to show us what the truth is

1281
00:52:12,890 --> 00:52:11,040
about anything going on in our life and

1282
00:52:15,290 --> 00:52:12,900
then the spirit does come through in

1283
00:52:17,150 --> 00:52:15,300
many miraculous ways it doesn't matter I

1284
00:52:19,609 --> 00:52:17,160
don't think it doesn't matter your faith

1285
00:52:21,650 --> 00:52:19,619
and I think the more faith you have in

1286
00:52:23,630 --> 00:52:21,660
something good the more it can

1287
00:52:25,970 --> 00:52:23,640
communicate with you and actually show

1288
00:52:28,190 --> 00:52:25,980
you what's going on

1289
00:52:30,770 --> 00:52:28,200
and so that's that's the way to go you

1290
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:30,780
have to be really honest and not want to

1291
00:52:34,430 --> 00:52:32,400
believe in something that feels good

1292
00:52:36,829 --> 00:52:34,440
because it makes you feel popular or

1293
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:36,839
whatever the channeled messages are but

1294
00:52:41,390 --> 00:52:39,119
just be completely honest and open about

1295
00:52:43,609 --> 00:52:41,400
the absolute truth no matter what it is

1296
00:52:46,130 --> 00:52:43,619
so that you could receive it in from

1297
00:52:47,870 --> 00:52:46,140
your own internal natural resources to

1298
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:47,880
the connection to your eternal spirit

1299
00:52:52,190 --> 00:52:50,640
and that's where where we need to go

1300
00:52:53,930 --> 00:52:52,200
with it that's when we find the truth

1301
00:52:57,049 --> 00:52:53,940
that's what I believe

1302
00:52:59,329 --> 00:52:57,059
I I love that I love so many things

1303
00:53:01,250 --> 00:52:59,339
about that I'm challenged though with

1304
00:53:03,049 --> 00:53:01,260
some of that in terms of

1305
00:53:05,390 --> 00:53:03,059
like when you jump in and say you know

1306
00:53:07,250 --> 00:53:05,400
they live through us it's some kind of

1307
00:53:09,890 --> 00:53:07,260
harvesting of energy and stuff like that

1308
00:53:11,990 --> 00:53:09,900
we don't know that I don't think we know

1309
00:53:13,730 --> 00:53:12,000
that and and I can understand that that

1310
00:53:15,530 --> 00:53:13,740
is your experience from you know working

1311
00:53:18,349 --> 00:53:15,540
with these people but

1312
00:53:21,770 --> 00:53:18,359
again I keep coming back to the tagline

1313
00:53:24,829 --> 00:53:21,780
or the ethos of skeptico is inquiry to

1314
00:53:28,250 --> 00:53:24,839
perpetuate doubt I think doubt is a

1315
00:53:32,210 --> 00:53:28,260
spiritual thing I think that greater

1316
00:53:35,870 --> 00:53:32,220
love light truth that we know is there

1317
00:53:38,809 --> 00:53:35,880
doesn't want us to be certain certainty

1318
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:38,819
is for something else is for another

1319
00:53:43,130 --> 00:53:41,040
realm another realm of knowing when

1320
00:53:44,569 --> 00:53:43,140
everything is known in that other realm

1321
00:53:46,849 --> 00:53:44,579
that's what people tell us from that

1322
00:53:49,309 --> 00:53:46,859
other realm is I knew everything

1323
00:53:51,410 --> 00:53:49,319
you couldn't even ask a question and the

1324
00:53:54,049 --> 00:53:51,420
answer came into my head and then I was

1325
00:53:56,450 --> 00:53:54,059
put back down in this time space reality

1326
00:54:00,770 --> 00:53:56,460
and not so much of knowing everything

1327
00:54:04,370 --> 00:54:00,780
but where I was trying to go with that

1328
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:04,380
and you did take us there is that if we

1329
00:54:11,210 --> 00:54:08,400
want to look at malevolent entities in

1330
00:54:14,089 --> 00:54:11,220
this extended Consciousness Realm we

1331
00:54:16,370 --> 00:54:14,099
have a lot of anthropological support

1332
00:54:18,890 --> 00:54:16,380
for that we can go look at all these

1333
00:54:20,329 --> 00:54:18,900
cultures where they'll tell you exactly

1334
00:54:23,329 --> 00:54:20,339
the kind of stories you're talking about

1335
00:54:25,849 --> 00:54:23,339
from the shamanic experience going over

1336
00:54:28,370 --> 00:54:25,859
in the shamanic dream and having

1337
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:28,380
always it's always serpents or it's

1338
00:54:32,210 --> 00:54:30,720
crocodiles or it's whatever and they're

1339
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:32,220
coming in and they're interfering

1340
00:54:37,490 --> 00:54:35,040
they'll have spells being cast on people

1341
00:54:39,470 --> 00:54:37,500
to break up lovers or to bring lovers

1342
00:54:41,450 --> 00:54:39,480
together all the stuff you're talking

1343
00:54:45,790 --> 00:54:41,460
about is there in the shamanic

1344
00:54:49,250 --> 00:54:45,800
Traditions with no ET overlay on it so

1345
00:54:52,670 --> 00:54:49,260
that makes me wonder should we be

1346
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:52,680
considering that without E.T without

1347
00:54:57,170 --> 00:54:54,960
non-human intelligence and what does

1348
00:54:58,970 --> 00:54:57,180
that tell us about non-human

1349
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:58,980
intelligence and the other thing because

1350
00:55:02,450 --> 00:55:00,480
I like to throw so many things on the

1351
00:55:04,790 --> 00:55:02,460
table all at once is

1352
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:04,800
I don't think Mary Rodwell would come

1353
00:55:10,730 --> 00:55:07,440
down on the same side you guys do in

1354
00:55:14,089 --> 00:55:10,740
terms of these beings being all negative

1355
00:55:16,430 --> 00:55:14,099
she sees a lot more positive beings in

1356
00:55:18,829 --> 00:55:16,440
the non-human intelligence realm and

1357
00:55:22,490 --> 00:55:18,839
what she does is kind of say the my lab

1358
00:55:24,770 --> 00:55:22,500
stuff is she's kind of

1359
00:55:28,010 --> 00:55:24,780
she's if you will to me a little bit too

1360
00:55:31,250 --> 00:55:28,020
much segmenting all the negative stuff

1361
00:55:32,930 --> 00:55:31,260
oh that's all my lab which yeah I don't

1362
00:55:34,970 --> 00:55:32,940
think makes I don't think makes sense

1363
00:55:37,010 --> 00:55:34,980
but I don't think it makes sense to say

1364
00:55:39,710 --> 00:55:37,020
oh this is all dark you know this is

1365
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:39,720
everything that E.T is doing is is all

1366
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:42,079
dark it's a there's too much

1367
00:55:46,250 --> 00:55:44,400
genuine spiritual experiences that

1368
00:55:48,530 --> 00:55:46,260
people are having there there's some of

1369
00:55:51,170 --> 00:55:48,540
it there's healing which is hard to kind

1370
00:55:53,150 --> 00:55:51,180
of see in any other way as helping

1371
00:55:54,530 --> 00:55:53,160
people get on with their life there is a

1372
00:55:56,030 --> 00:55:54,540
lot of negative stuff which you're

1373
00:55:58,609 --> 00:55:56,040
pointing out and I don't want to lost

1374
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:58,619
that over but I'm trying to kind of

1375
00:56:03,230 --> 00:56:00,960
paint a landscape that's more complex

1376
00:56:04,910 --> 00:56:03,240
that isn't so siled which is what I see

1377
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:04,920
happening all over the place like the

1378
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:06,960
hegelian dialectic they always get

1379
00:56:12,170 --> 00:56:10,319
there's always like a a polarization to

1380
00:56:14,450 --> 00:56:12,180
try to make it simple and you know it's

1381
00:56:16,130 --> 00:56:14,460
either this or that and I I kind of

1382
00:56:19,490 --> 00:56:16,140
understand that but one of the things

1383
00:56:21,650 --> 00:56:19,500
that was a problem with people that had

1384
00:56:22,970 --> 00:56:21,660
come to me or in the early days let's

1385
00:56:25,069 --> 00:56:22,980
say people who were in these super

1386
00:56:27,170 --> 00:56:25,079
soldier projects like the Montauk boys

1387
00:56:29,770 --> 00:56:27,180
and even some of the earlier secret

1388
00:56:32,450 --> 00:56:29,780
Space Project they called it special

1389
00:56:34,690 --> 00:56:32,460
unacknowledged access projects or

1390
00:56:37,910 --> 00:56:34,700
whatever right but many of them had

1391
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:37,920
trauma and gosh so much trauma and

1392
00:56:43,010 --> 00:56:40,319
programming but uh

1393
00:56:45,530 --> 00:56:43,020
different beings having interacted with

1394
00:56:47,390 --> 00:56:45,540
them as well as human military in these

1395
00:56:49,370 --> 00:56:47,400
secret projects and then when they

1396
00:56:51,470 --> 00:56:49,380
discovered what was going on with them

1397
00:56:53,569 --> 00:56:51,480
they would search the ends of the Earth

1398
00:56:55,849 --> 00:56:53,579
you know going to Nepal and Tibet and

1399
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:55,859
going to different yogis and gurus and

1400
00:57:00,109 --> 00:56:58,079
and you know begging for help and asking

1401
00:57:01,730 --> 00:57:00,119
for help and trying to do exorcisms and

1402
00:57:04,490 --> 00:57:01,740
it's like nobody could help them they're

1403
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:04,500
like sorry I guess it's your karma and

1404
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:06,960
and they were really a lot of people

1405
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:10,079
were they were sunned and not understood

1406
00:57:14,270 --> 00:57:12,720
and it and it made me wonder like wait a

1407
00:57:16,730 --> 00:57:14,280
minute here if there's these people

1408
00:57:18,410 --> 00:57:16,740
claiming that they're friggin gurus and

1409
00:57:20,030 --> 00:57:18,420
they know all about Enlightenment and

1410
00:57:22,130 --> 00:57:20,040
they can't help one of these people in

1411
00:57:24,650 --> 00:57:22,140
one of these projects they don't their

1412
00:57:26,770 --> 00:57:24,660
religion is missing something

1413
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:26,780
and this is what made me question

1414
00:57:32,569 --> 00:57:29,760
there's some kind of intelligence or a

1415
00:57:34,490 --> 00:57:32,579
force that's what I call it enabling the

1416
00:57:36,410 --> 00:57:34,500
Predator parasite programming within

1417
00:57:38,690 --> 00:57:36,420
religions and certain spiritual

1418
00:57:40,010 --> 00:57:38,700
narratives and traditions that are

1419
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:40,020
missing something really really

1420
00:57:45,470 --> 00:57:43,440
important and and I know that one of the

1421
00:57:49,309 --> 00:57:45,480
simple things they're missing is they're

1422
00:57:52,250 --> 00:57:49,319
bypassing the the real importance of

1423
00:57:54,770 --> 00:57:52,260
recovering from complex trauma even from

1424
00:57:56,510 --> 00:57:54,780
just a simple psychological level but

1425
00:57:58,970 --> 00:57:56,520
somehow they're not dealing with the

1426
00:58:01,730 --> 00:57:58,980
attached entity business and they're not

1427
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:01,740
able to truly deal with that effectively

1428
00:58:07,069 --> 00:58:05,040
even with their own faith because

1429
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:07,079
there's something's been omitted in

1430
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:09,359
terms of their thoroughness of

1431
00:58:13,490 --> 00:58:11,520
understanding of how things work

1432
00:58:16,010 --> 00:58:13,500
what about the whole samskara stuff

1433
00:58:18,829 --> 00:58:16,020
you're familiar with the yoga tradition

1434
00:58:22,730 --> 00:58:18,839
a lot I mean does it to me when you say

1435
00:58:25,490 --> 00:58:22,740
that it's like Evie that is exactly the

1436
00:58:28,010 --> 00:58:25,500
practice of the release of the samskara

1437
00:58:30,650 --> 00:58:28,020
you know is that you can create the the

1438
00:58:33,049 --> 00:58:30,660
example I always love is I first heard

1439
00:58:34,849 --> 00:58:33,059
from a Mickey singer the untethered Soul

1440
00:58:37,250 --> 00:58:34,859
which is a super popular book and a

1441
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:37,260
western guy but he was like

1442
00:58:41,390 --> 00:58:39,599
this is like to me is like right out of

1443
00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:41,400
your practice and working with people is

1444
00:58:47,569 --> 00:58:44,160
I'm driving down the road and I see this

1445
00:58:50,750 --> 00:58:47,579
blue Corvette go by and there's my

1446
00:58:52,010 --> 00:58:50,760
girlfriend with this guy and they're

1447
00:58:53,690 --> 00:58:52,020
just having a good old time and they're

1448
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:53,700
making out there all this stuff and I'm

1449
00:59:00,410 --> 00:58:57,359
like you know boom I just go off and

1450
00:59:03,049 --> 00:59:00,420
then later I come to understand that no

1451
00:59:05,809 --> 00:59:03,059
that wasn't my girlfriend it just looked

1452
00:59:09,170 --> 00:59:05,819
like my girlfriend but

1453
00:59:11,750 --> 00:59:09,180
every time I see a blue Corvette boom my

1454
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:11,760
body just goes off and I have this flood

1455
00:59:16,910 --> 00:59:14,880
of emotions so from a yogic perspective

1456
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:16,920
they'd say well you have a samskara

1457
00:59:21,470 --> 00:59:19,200
there is God's energy that's flowing

1458
00:59:23,990 --> 00:59:21,480
through you and you've blocked it in a

1459
00:59:26,750 --> 00:59:24,000
way and you've probably blocked it in a

1460
00:59:28,130 --> 00:59:26,760
million ways including stuff that you

1461
00:59:30,410 --> 00:59:28,140
came in with that you weren't even

1462
00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:30,420
responsible for but they would explain

1463
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:32,160
that in a very direct way and they'd say

1464
00:59:36,829 --> 00:59:35,040
here's how you release those but get

1465
00:59:38,750 --> 00:59:36,839
ready because you got a million of them

1466
00:59:40,370 --> 00:59:38,760
to release so it's a you know you're not

1467
00:59:42,890 --> 00:59:40,380
going to get through them all but you're

1468
00:59:45,230 --> 00:59:42,900
going to to me that is a direct parallel

1469
00:59:47,210 --> 00:59:45,240
with exactly what you're saying and I I

1470
00:59:50,270 --> 00:59:47,220
think it makes a lot of sense is that

1471
00:59:54,170 --> 00:59:50,280
complex trauma and then how to release

1472
00:59:56,930 --> 00:59:54,180
that and that that is nurturing our

1473
01:00:00,049 --> 00:59:56,940
inner true spirituality and connection

1474
01:00:02,329 --> 01:00:00,059
with the source so I'm totally down with

1475
01:00:05,270 --> 01:00:02,339
that part of it what do you see is

1476
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:05,280
lacking from and couldn't we find that

1477
01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:07,680
in the mystical Christian tradition in

1478
01:00:10,130 --> 01:00:09,359
the Buddhist tradition in the okay go

1479
01:00:12,109 --> 01:00:10,140
ahead

1480
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:12,119
well yeah I mean I believe that there is

1481
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:14,880
a a deeper tradition of those who really

1482
01:00:19,370 --> 01:00:16,799
I don't know you can call it people who

1483
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:19,380
really have the Holy Spirit or or they

1484
01:00:27,289 --> 01:00:24,720
really have a deeper connection because

1485
01:00:29,289 --> 01:00:27,299
their perception opens up so that

1486
01:00:33,170 --> 01:00:29,299
they're not blinded by their own

1487
01:00:35,930 --> 01:00:33,180
preconceived notions or dogmatic ways of

1488
01:00:37,789 --> 01:00:35,940
perceiving it's like

1489
01:00:40,490 --> 01:00:37,799
you know like well the Taoist would call

1490
01:00:42,410 --> 01:00:40,500
it spontaneous wisdom and the Christians

1491
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:42,420
would call it the Holy Spirit and it the

1492
01:00:45,890 --> 01:00:43,920
holy spirit's usually imbued with love

1493
01:00:48,530 --> 01:00:45,900
and and mercy but it could also give you

1494
01:00:50,329 --> 01:00:48,540
spontaneous wisdom of the direct

1495
01:00:53,450 --> 01:00:50,339
perception of what's going on with this

1496
01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:53,460
person and and knowing what it just

1497
01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:55,440
shows you what's going on and I think

1498
01:00:59,510 --> 01:00:57,119
the same thing happens with people who

1499
01:01:03,530 --> 01:00:59,520
are really connected and then it gives

1500
01:01:05,510 --> 01:01:03,540
them insight into how to proceed uh in

1501
01:01:07,970 --> 01:01:05,520
life and how to maybe help people if

1502
01:01:10,250 --> 01:01:07,980
they're open but that that's not always

1503
01:01:12,710 --> 01:01:10,260
easy like one of the difficulties that

1504
01:01:14,809 --> 01:01:12,720
I've run across with many people

1505
01:01:18,349 --> 01:01:14,819
um they had once they uncovered let's

1506
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:18,359
say the dark underbelly of what you know

1507
01:01:22,609 --> 01:01:20,160
secret societies are the ones

1508
01:01:24,230 --> 01:01:22,619
controlling let's say the dark side of

1509
01:01:25,250 --> 01:01:24,240
the earth if they want to keep it secret

1510
01:01:27,289 --> 01:01:25,260
and they don't want you to know the

1511
01:01:29,569 --> 01:01:27,299
whole thing and then you bring up too

1512
01:01:32,210 --> 01:01:29,579
much attention or influence on a certain

1513
01:01:34,730 --> 01:01:32,220
aspect of the ufology for example then

1514
01:01:36,589 --> 01:01:34,740
you become a targeted individual and so

1515
01:01:39,589 --> 01:01:36,599
what happens with targeted vigils

1516
01:01:42,890 --> 01:01:39,599
sometimes it's technology sometimes it's

1517
01:01:45,230 --> 01:01:42,900
direct you can relate it to human you

1518
01:01:47,150 --> 01:01:45,240
know them doing stuff to your bank

1519
01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:47,160
account or they're gang stalking you and

1520
01:01:50,170 --> 01:01:48,480
there's a whole there's a whole thing

1521
01:01:52,789 --> 01:01:50,180
with that but there is a technology

1522
01:01:54,650 --> 01:01:52,799
that's related to very Advanced

1523
01:01:57,470 --> 01:01:54,660
Technologies that it could actually

1524
01:02:00,589 --> 01:01:57,480
explain a lot of some of the alien and

1525
01:02:03,109 --> 01:02:00,599
my lab stuff that people think are

1526
01:02:05,210 --> 01:02:03,119
coming from Aliens so that there are

1527
01:02:07,370 --> 01:02:05,220
technologies that could affect you on

1528
01:02:09,770 --> 01:02:07,380
very deep and even spiritual levels now

1529
01:02:12,010 --> 01:02:09,780
that's being employed to try to prevent

1530
01:02:15,650 --> 01:02:12,020
people from bringing to light

1531
01:02:18,589 --> 01:02:15,660
truth or you know different aspects so

1532
01:02:21,410 --> 01:02:18,599
that people could wake up to actually

1533
01:02:23,329 --> 01:02:21,420
have solutions to what the problems are

1534
01:02:26,030 --> 01:02:23,339
so that there are forces that are trying

1535
01:02:27,470 --> 01:02:26,040
to prevent people but and that's what I

1536
01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:27,480
run across is like people who are

1537
01:02:31,069 --> 01:02:29,280
actually being targeted and they're

1538
01:02:32,690 --> 01:02:31,079
trying to get out from under it and

1539
01:02:34,549 --> 01:02:32,700
working through all these quote

1540
01:02:36,650 --> 01:02:34,559
psychological ways of doing it but but

1541
01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:36,660
it ain't working because maybe there's

1542
01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:38,160
so there's something else that we don't

1543
01:02:43,549 --> 01:02:40,559
know and but we're finding out more all

1544
01:02:48,049 --> 01:02:43,559
the time and and I think that's good

1545
01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:48,059
so yeah and it's super important work

1546
01:02:53,690 --> 01:02:50,400
and you're bringing a lot forward that

1547
01:02:56,329 --> 01:02:53,700
we definitely need to get out there and

1548
01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:56,339
sort through and process and I know I've

1549
01:03:01,010 --> 01:02:59,280
kind of pushed back in a lot of ways but

1550
01:03:02,390 --> 01:03:01,020
I also want to at the same time as I

1551
01:03:05,450 --> 01:03:02,400
said in the beginning

1552
01:03:09,410 --> 01:03:05,460
kind of connect this with the Normie

1553
01:03:12,349 --> 01:03:09,420
World in a way that helps us see how

1554
01:03:15,289 --> 01:03:12,359
completely ridiculous that is at the

1555
01:03:18,049 --> 01:03:15,299
same time because you know we we have

1556
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:18,059
disclosure now which is like an

1557
01:03:23,210 --> 01:03:20,880
unbelievable well it's a fake it's a

1558
01:03:26,210 --> 01:03:23,220
fake disclosure it's a very limited

1559
01:03:28,609 --> 01:03:26,220
hangout disclosure but I mean who you've

1560
01:03:30,890 --> 01:03:28,619
been at this for long enough and I have

1561
01:03:33,349 --> 01:03:30,900
two not to the extent that you have but

1562
01:03:35,390 --> 01:03:33,359
who would have ever thought that the New

1563
01:03:39,230 --> 01:03:35,400
York Times would run the story and say

1564
01:03:41,589 --> 01:03:39,240
here they are here's the video and you

1565
01:03:44,450 --> 01:03:41,599
know that the Senate

1566
01:03:46,130 --> 01:03:44,460
that Congress would say hey we have to

1567
01:03:49,210 --> 01:03:46,140
start looking at this because we do have

1568
01:03:52,190 --> 01:03:49,220
these there is an orchestrated

1569
01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:52,200
manipulative but there is a kind of

1570
01:03:56,750 --> 01:03:54,240
disclosure that makes it undeniable and

1571
01:03:59,210 --> 01:03:56,760
yet at the same time when we look at the

1572
01:04:00,170 --> 01:03:59,220
people who are our public intellectuals

1573
01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:00,180
and

1574
01:04:07,430 --> 01:04:04,559
listened to his show but he talks about

1575
01:04:10,010 --> 01:04:07,440
this like there is no disclosure and he

1576
01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:10,020
has avilopram Harvard on and he talks

1577
01:04:14,390 --> 01:04:12,480
about anomalous things but they pretend

1578
01:04:17,569 --> 01:04:14,400
like they haven't seen the Tic Tac

1579
01:04:19,789 --> 01:04:17,579
videos it's like what are we trying to

1580
01:04:22,370 --> 01:04:19,799
do what is going on here for a lot of us

1581
01:04:25,309 --> 01:04:22,380
we're kind of like you know what what

1582
01:04:27,410 --> 01:04:25,319
game is being played the other thing I

1583
01:04:30,710 --> 01:04:27,420
would connect it to and I I want to get

1584
01:04:33,589 --> 01:04:30,720
into this as well with you is the MK

1585
01:04:36,890 --> 01:04:33,599
Ultra stuff is super important to this

1586
01:04:39,289 --> 01:04:36,900
and it's been outed I mean I sent you

1587
01:04:41,930 --> 01:04:39,299
the link to Annie Jacobson's book I mean

1588
01:04:45,530 --> 01:04:41,940
Annie Jacobson has 10 million views with

1589
01:04:46,490 --> 01:04:45,540
Rogan she pulls up way short uh with her

1590
01:04:48,470 --> 01:04:46,500
book

1591
01:04:50,690 --> 01:04:48,480
um it's a limited hangout kind of thing

1592
01:04:52,870 --> 01:04:50,700
but give her credit it is the most

1593
01:04:56,390 --> 01:04:52,880
thorough uh

1594
01:05:00,470 --> 01:04:56,400
explanation of the whole MK Ultra

1595
01:05:03,230 --> 01:05:00,480
project starting with uh puerich and his

1596
01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:03,240
talking to the nine then the council and

1597
01:05:07,849 --> 01:05:05,760
you get all the all the E.T stuff is in

1598
01:05:10,250 --> 01:05:07,859
there as well and but then she brings it

1599
01:05:12,970 --> 01:05:10,260
up to date with in terms of the mind

1600
01:05:15,650 --> 01:05:12,980
control stuff it's well freaking

1601
01:05:18,109 --> 01:05:15,660
documented so anyone who's coming at

1602
01:05:20,390 --> 01:05:18,119
this from a normie perspective and

1603
01:05:22,309 --> 01:05:20,400
calling into question anything that you

1604
01:05:24,410 --> 01:05:22,319
just said needs to go read that freaking

1605
01:05:26,390 --> 01:05:24,420
book because it's all right parent for

1606
01:05:28,430 --> 01:05:26,400
you it's like hell yes we were doing

1607
01:05:30,530 --> 01:05:28,440
that we're doing every kind of mind

1608
01:05:33,770 --> 01:05:30,540
control imaginable and it wasn't just

1609
01:05:37,069 --> 01:05:33,780
giving people LSD it was Manchurian

1610
01:05:38,809 --> 01:05:37,079
Candidate but it was also demonic let's

1611
01:05:40,730 --> 01:05:38,819
bring in the Demonic guy let's see what

1612
01:05:44,089 --> 01:05:40,740
we can do let's do disassociative

1613
01:05:46,190 --> 01:05:44,099
identity disorder uh by uh on demand you

1614
01:05:48,530 --> 01:05:46,200
know I interviewed Whitley streamer a

1615
01:05:50,349 --> 01:05:48,540
couple times that is his experience you

1616
01:05:54,049 --> 01:05:50,359
know being

1617
01:05:56,089 --> 01:05:54,059
recruited into an Air Force program for

1618
01:05:57,470 --> 01:05:56,099
gifted children because it's dead and

1619
01:05:59,030 --> 01:05:57,480
going in there and seeing the kids in

1620
01:06:01,010 --> 01:05:59,040
Faraday cages and they're cutting

1621
01:06:03,230 --> 01:06:01,020
rabbits heads off and saying if you ever

1622
01:06:06,049 --> 01:06:03,240
say any of this and kind of traumatizing

1623
01:06:08,329 --> 01:06:06,059
me doing this this is all over the

1624
01:06:10,250 --> 01:06:08,339
place in terms of documents

1625
01:06:12,170 --> 01:06:10,260
yeah that's the my lab thing where I

1626
01:06:14,630 --> 01:06:12,180
mean it's and it's trauma-based mind

1627
01:06:17,150 --> 01:06:14,640
control taken to all these other levels

1628
01:06:19,370 --> 01:06:17,160
of interacting in and out of time and

1629
01:06:21,349 --> 01:06:19,380
and is they really are doing these

1630
01:06:23,690 --> 01:06:21,359
things which is the reason why we need

1631
01:06:26,809 --> 01:06:23,700
to understand how trauma affects the

1632
01:06:28,789 --> 01:06:26,819
brain and how to restore our our balance

1633
01:06:31,549 --> 01:06:28,799
and then actually have more abilities

1634
01:06:33,230 --> 01:06:31,559
than we would have if we hadn't had that

1635
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:33,240
actually they're what they're doing I

1636
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:35,520
know it sounds nuts but they're they're

1637
01:06:40,309 --> 01:06:37,680
activating what they call the metagene

1638
01:06:42,529 --> 01:06:40,319
and I guess that's just a term whether

1639
01:06:45,049 --> 01:06:42,539
or not it's real but they'll traumatize

1640
01:06:47,510 --> 01:06:45,059
a lot of people sometimes killing them

1641
01:06:48,890 --> 01:06:47,520
because they they work with many right I

1642
01:06:50,569 --> 01:06:48,900
mean these are the black projects they'd

1643
01:06:53,390 --> 01:06:50,579
never want you to know about and then

1644
01:06:55,430 --> 01:06:53,400
they try to get some to activate like an

1645
01:06:57,230 --> 01:06:55,440
ability to do things like supernatural

1646
01:06:59,930 --> 01:06:57,240
abilities like the X-Men kind of thing

1647
01:07:01,609 --> 01:06:59,940
like bi-locating or you know popping in

1648
01:07:03,230 --> 01:07:01,619
and out of time or doing whatever and

1649
01:07:05,569 --> 01:07:03,240
then certain people can do these things

1650
01:07:07,789 --> 01:07:05,579
when they're pushed to certain traumas

1651
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:07,799
of dissociation and then they have these

1652
01:07:12,109 --> 01:07:09,599
abilities pop out but they can only do

1653
01:07:13,849 --> 01:07:12,119
it during certain triggers so the whole

1654
01:07:15,349 --> 01:07:13,859
idea with a lot of these Montauk boys

1655
01:07:17,450 --> 01:07:15,359
and these people who realized they were

1656
01:07:19,730 --> 01:07:17,460
in these secret space programs is to

1657
01:07:22,250 --> 01:07:19,740
recover and integrate their traumas

1658
01:07:24,890 --> 01:07:22,260
release the Demonic and all the icky

1659
01:07:27,710 --> 01:07:24,900
mind control triggers and restore their

1660
01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:27,720
true and natural real abilities that

1661
01:07:32,270 --> 01:07:30,000
they have and then start using it for

1662
01:07:36,190 --> 01:07:32,280
the good and start helping others and

1663
01:07:41,630 --> 01:07:38,690
what do you mean on that last part

1664
01:07:44,690 --> 01:07:41,640
that's what who is trying to do

1665
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:44,700
who this has been going on for a long

1666
01:07:51,950 --> 01:07:48,720
time actually well I mean has it been

1667
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:51,960
going on for 788 000 years I think it

1668
01:07:57,890 --> 01:07:54,720
has I interviewed Bruce Fenton and he

1669
01:08:00,410 --> 01:07:57,900
shows kind of a genetic record and uh so

1670
01:08:02,390 --> 01:08:00,420
shows techno signatures or you know look

1671
01:08:05,690 --> 01:08:02,400
at the same thing with the MK Ultra

1672
01:08:07,789 --> 01:08:05,700
project part of it is the whole Stargate

1673
01:08:09,170 --> 01:08:07,799
thing and the remote viewing thing and

1674
01:08:12,650 --> 01:08:09,180
if you look at those guys when they

1675
01:08:15,170 --> 01:08:12,660
remote view Mars they see people over

1676
01:08:17,410 --> 01:08:15,180
there I don't know if they're us or if

1677
01:08:19,370 --> 01:08:17,420
they're non-human intelligences from

1678
01:08:22,430 --> 01:08:19,380
extraterrestrials but this is a million

1679
01:08:26,090 --> 01:08:22,440
years ago right and if you go look at Dr

1680
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:26,100
uh John Brandenburg and uh it's the

1681
01:08:33,289 --> 01:08:29,759
nuclear bomb Trace elements and the

1682
01:08:36,349 --> 01:08:33,299
Isotopes from Mars he's a astrophysicist

1683
01:08:39,050 --> 01:08:36,359
he's a solid guy you know he's very

1684
01:08:41,030 --> 01:08:39,060
published peer-reviewed papers on that I

1685
01:08:41,990 --> 01:08:41,040
I think the time the other thing that

1686
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:42,000
kind of

1687
01:08:47,930 --> 01:08:46,080
con want to compress the time frame down

1688
01:08:50,209 --> 01:08:47,940
and say what about Roswell that's when

1689
01:08:52,970 --> 01:08:50,219
this started now what if it started a

1690
01:08:55,249 --> 01:08:52,980
million years ago what if it started 750

1691
01:08:57,470 --> 01:08:55,259
000 years ago with ongoing genetic

1692
01:08:59,570 --> 01:08:57,480
manipulation the whole way isn't that

1693
01:09:02,269 --> 01:08:59,580
how why would why wouldn't it be that

1694
01:09:06,289 --> 01:09:02,279
way so when I hear you know

1695
01:09:07,970 --> 01:09:06,299
Corey Goode who now has outed himself as

1696
01:09:10,070 --> 01:09:07,980
you know not

1697
01:09:12,229 --> 01:09:10,080
telling the truth in his deposition or

1698
01:09:15,410 --> 01:09:12,239
whatever or any of this other recent

1699
01:09:18,229 --> 01:09:15,420
stuff I have a hard time kind of really

1700
01:09:20,209 --> 01:09:18,239
focusing on that is like okay this is it

1701
01:09:23,030 --> 01:09:20,219
you know buckle up it's all happening

1702
01:09:25,729 --> 01:09:23,040
right now I mean what do you think

1703
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:25,739
well I know that these projects are

1704
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:28,080
happening and many people don't go

1705
01:09:33,470 --> 01:09:31,440
public and they prefer not to so

1706
01:09:36,050 --> 01:09:33,480
I don't I know that there's something

1707
01:09:38,090 --> 01:09:36,060
going on and there has been for a long

1708
01:09:41,450 --> 01:09:38,100
time though I mean we're just in our

1709
01:09:43,610 --> 01:09:41,460
current ERA of technology and culture

1710
01:09:45,410 --> 01:09:43,620
that's just taking it to the degree that

1711
01:09:47,209 --> 01:09:45,420
it's going but I think this has been

1712
01:09:50,570 --> 01:09:47,219
going on for thousands of years through

1713
01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:50,580
ancient family lines and Cults and that

1714
01:09:53,930 --> 01:09:52,080
kind of thing

1715
01:09:55,970 --> 01:09:53,940
um from ancient Egypt and who knows

1716
01:09:57,169 --> 01:09:55,980
maybe Atlantis and some of these other

1717
01:09:58,790 --> 01:09:57,179
lemuria

1718
01:10:00,650 --> 01:09:58,800
I think these things have been going on

1719
01:10:03,110 --> 01:10:00,660
for a long time with the same kinds of

1720
01:10:05,090 --> 01:10:03,120
beings that they're connecting with to

1721
01:10:06,770 --> 01:10:05,100
work through certain human groups and

1722
01:10:08,750 --> 01:10:06,780
doing the same kinds of things maybe

1723
01:10:10,610 --> 01:10:08,760
they weren't as technologically the same

1724
01:10:12,890 --> 01:10:10,620
but then again maybe they were maybe

1725
01:10:15,110 --> 01:10:12,900
they were even more so

1726
01:10:16,370 --> 01:10:15,120
so well that's why you know the question

1727
01:10:19,550 --> 01:10:16,380
for me

1728
01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:19,560
for a while has been and I really pushed

1729
01:10:24,410 --> 01:10:21,600
Mary on this and I love she gave me a

1730
01:10:28,490 --> 01:10:24,420
really concise answer too but my kind of

1731
01:10:30,110 --> 01:10:28,500
cheeky question is does ET have an nde

1732
01:10:34,010 --> 01:10:30,120
does

1733
01:10:36,410 --> 01:10:34,020
ET have a Life review and so I had to

1734
01:10:38,450 --> 01:10:36,420
ask her that a few times she goes well

1735
01:10:42,350 --> 01:10:38,460
well yeah she goes I remember doing a

1736
01:10:46,370 --> 01:10:42,360
regression with a gentleman who went to

1737
01:10:49,970 --> 01:10:46,380
a past life where he was uh E.T he was

1738
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:49,980
from another planet and he remem he

1739
01:10:53,930 --> 01:10:51,120
remembered

1740
01:10:55,790 --> 01:10:53,940
just kind of decimating this culture

1741
01:10:58,250 --> 01:10:55,800
which was just kind of a primitive

1742
01:10:59,870 --> 01:10:58,260
culture and he went in and they just you

1743
01:11:01,430 --> 01:10:59,880
know kind of wiped it out and did all

1744
01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:01,440
the stuff that we know from our

1745
01:11:07,550 --> 01:11:03,840
historical past you know has happened

1746
01:11:10,550 --> 01:11:07,560
both by us but also seems to have been

1747
01:11:12,410 --> 01:11:10,560
reported in their lore as happening from

1748
01:11:14,450 --> 01:11:12,420
other entities that came in and did this

1749
01:11:16,430 --> 01:11:14,460
and he's identifying with this and he's

1750
01:11:17,750 --> 01:11:16,440
having a very hard time dealing with

1751
01:11:20,870 --> 01:11:17,760
this because it wasn't a conscious

1752
01:11:21,590 --> 01:11:20,880
memory he had but it came up under

1753
01:11:25,010 --> 01:11:21,600
um

1754
01:11:27,830 --> 01:11:25,020
regression and as you know

1755
01:11:30,530 --> 01:11:27,840
people want to poo poo regression but

1756
01:11:33,550 --> 01:11:30,540
when you really push on the evidence for

1757
01:11:35,110 --> 01:11:33,560
regression it's highly highly uh

1758
01:11:38,750 --> 01:11:35,120
significantly

1759
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:38,760
verifiable I mean people can bring

1760
01:11:43,669 --> 01:11:41,280
recover memories not in all cases it can

1761
01:11:46,250 --> 01:11:43,679
be you know misused but it can be a real

1762
01:11:50,110 --> 01:11:46,260
tool for memory but anyways the the

1763
01:11:53,750 --> 01:11:50,120
point back to that is she says yes E.T

1764
01:11:56,270 --> 01:11:53,760
does have an nde to me that is my only

1765
01:11:58,729 --> 01:11:56,280
way I can understand the hierarchy of

1766
01:12:01,550 --> 01:11:58,739
Consciousness is that because the

1767
01:12:03,950 --> 01:12:01,560
central most Salient point of the

1768
01:12:06,410 --> 01:12:03,960
near-death experience is

1769
01:12:07,430 --> 01:12:06,420
more than anything else is one it's

1770
01:12:09,530 --> 01:12:07,440
about love

1771
01:12:11,390 --> 01:12:09,540
it's about connection and and people

1772
01:12:13,310 --> 01:12:11,400
don't go fishing for that if you just go

1773
01:12:15,770 --> 01:12:13,320
and look at the accounts that's what

1774
01:12:18,350 --> 01:12:15,780
they say overwhelmingly over 90 but the

1775
01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:18,360
other thing is that you will be judged

1776
01:12:23,090 --> 01:12:20,880
you will be judged there is a right and

1777
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:23,100
wrong there is a moral imperative and

1778
01:12:29,870 --> 01:12:26,400
you will be judged but you will be the

1779
01:12:31,729 --> 01:12:29,880
judge your soul will be the judge of

1780
01:12:33,169 --> 01:12:31,739
your actions your Deeds that's what

1781
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:33,179
comes through from the near-death

1782
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:35,040
experience science

1783
01:12:39,410 --> 01:12:37,199
so that's why to me the most relevant

1784
01:12:40,610 --> 01:12:39,420
question is is E.T going through that

1785
01:12:44,750 --> 01:12:40,620
same cycle

1786
01:12:46,910 --> 01:12:44,760
I believe from what I've seen is that I

1787
01:12:49,910 --> 01:12:46,920
suspect that E.T is

1788
01:12:52,130 --> 01:12:49,920
ET is in the School of Life whatever

1789
01:12:54,830 --> 01:12:52,140
that is broader than just down on this

1790
01:12:57,709 --> 01:12:54,840
planet and to me that makes the whole

1791
01:13:00,550 --> 01:12:57,719
thing seem a lot different than to think

1792
01:13:03,530 --> 01:13:00,560
it's some kind of Gnostic war against

1793
01:13:05,090 --> 01:13:03,540
good and bad but good doesn't really

1794
01:13:07,370 --> 01:13:05,100
have an upper hand we don't know who's

1795
01:13:08,750 --> 01:13:07,380
going to come out the the near-death

1796
01:13:10,729 --> 01:13:08,760
experience science kind of tells us

1797
01:13:14,750 --> 01:13:10,739
something different kind of tells us hey

1798
01:13:17,330 --> 01:13:14,760
man the light is a billion times more

1799
01:13:19,750 --> 01:13:17,340
powerful more meaningful than the dark

1800
01:13:23,330 --> 01:13:19,760
but you're going to play out this little

1801
01:13:25,310 --> 01:13:23,340
drama down here that's okay it's part of

1802
01:13:27,770 --> 01:13:25,320
the school it's part of the thing but

1803
01:13:30,410 --> 01:13:27,780
you're all going to be advancing based

1804
01:13:32,630 --> 01:13:30,420
on what you're able to do down here so I

1805
01:13:33,950 --> 01:13:32,640
laid a ton on the table there what are

1806
01:13:36,770 --> 01:13:33,960
some of your thoughts

1807
01:13:39,530 --> 01:13:36,780
well I mean who could I mean when people

1808
01:13:41,930 --> 01:13:39,540
have these experiences I can't question

1809
01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:41,940
them I think love is really important

1810
01:13:47,750 --> 01:13:45,120
and maybe having a perspective of how we

1811
01:13:50,689 --> 01:13:47,760
affect others in our different

1812
01:13:53,450 --> 01:13:50,699
existences is important but one of the

1813
01:13:55,729 --> 01:13:53,460
things that uh Dr Corrado Malanga

1814
01:13:58,790 --> 01:13:55,739
brought to light in his research was

1815
01:14:00,649 --> 01:13:58,800
that the beings that he called the

1816
01:14:03,530 --> 01:14:00,659
beings that were the more malevolent ETS

1817
01:14:07,189 --> 01:14:03,540
I guess he claimed that they did not

1818
01:14:10,130 --> 01:14:07,199
have the eternal spirit or anima that we

1819
01:14:13,610 --> 01:14:10,140
had and that they they could exist in

1820
01:14:15,890 --> 01:14:13,620
time and space but they were temporal so

1821
01:14:18,290 --> 01:14:15,900
they would have to kind of borrow and

1822
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:18,300
attach on to us and use our eternal

1823
01:14:22,790 --> 01:14:20,640
spirit to live through Us in whatever

1824
01:14:25,370 --> 01:14:22,800
capacity they wanted so they were kind

1825
01:14:28,189 --> 01:14:25,380
of like piggybackers so part of the

1826
01:14:31,189 --> 01:14:28,199
process to prevent them from interfering

1827
01:14:32,870 --> 01:14:31,199
was to release them and they had to stay

1828
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:32,880
back in the temporal realm while we

1829
01:14:37,310 --> 01:14:35,280
connected with our eternal spirit and

1830
01:14:40,970 --> 01:14:37,320
then worked with our eternal spirit to

1831
01:14:42,950 --> 01:14:40,980
get rid of that which is truly not us so

1832
01:14:47,090 --> 01:14:42,960
if it was an attached thing that really

1833
01:14:49,970 --> 01:14:47,100
is not us or originally us then then it

1834
01:14:53,209 --> 01:14:49,980
would go back to its origin and not

1835
01:14:55,610 --> 01:14:53,219
bother us anymore so part of his theory

1836
01:14:57,530 --> 01:14:55,620
and this is what I believe with respect

1837
01:14:59,689 --> 01:14:57,540
to those that are what I call the

1838
01:15:02,530 --> 01:14:59,699
narcissists who create chaos and drama

1839
01:15:04,970 --> 01:15:02,540
and feed on negative or a lot of emotion

1840
01:15:07,550 --> 01:15:04,980
they're obviously doing something to

1841
01:15:09,590 --> 01:15:07,560
feed on and we see that a lot with

1842
01:15:11,450 --> 01:15:09,600
certain entities that they attach and

1843
01:15:13,490 --> 01:15:11,460
they feed on negative or positive

1844
01:15:14,810 --> 01:15:13,500
emotions and that or they create a lot

1845
01:15:17,090 --> 01:15:14,820
of Chaos

1846
01:15:19,010 --> 01:15:17,100
so they they tend to why do they have to

1847
01:15:21,050 --> 01:15:19,020
do that what are they not connected to

1848
01:15:25,130 --> 01:15:21,060
that they have to feed on someone else

1849
01:15:27,050 --> 01:15:25,140
and I don't think predation is normal I

1850
01:15:31,189 --> 01:15:27,060
don't think predation is a normal state

1851
01:15:33,310 --> 01:15:31,199
of being but in this realm it is but I

1852
01:15:36,110 --> 01:15:33,320
think that where we come from eternally

1853
01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:36,120
predation and parasitism is not even

1854
01:15:40,490 --> 01:15:37,920
like a thing

1855
01:15:42,950 --> 01:15:40,500
I think it's something here because

1856
01:15:44,510 --> 01:15:42,960
there's beings who need something that

1857
01:15:46,669 --> 01:15:44,520
we have and they're just going to take

1858
01:15:49,070 --> 01:15:46,679
it and that's just what they're doing

1859
01:15:52,189 --> 01:15:49,080
and that's how I see a lot of it the

1860
01:15:54,169 --> 01:15:52,199
ones that have a malevolent effect and

1861
01:15:56,450 --> 01:15:54,179
that they they draw up all this energy

1862
01:15:58,130 --> 01:15:56,460
and drama and chaos and then when you

1863
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:58,140
release them it's like ah then you feel

1864
01:16:02,750 --> 01:16:00,000
peace that you're like it's just not an

1865
01:16:04,970 --> 01:16:02,760
issue anymore so I have to ask that

1866
01:16:06,709 --> 01:16:04,980
question and that comes to me that good

1867
01:16:08,450 --> 01:16:06,719
and evil is like evil would be something

1868
01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:08,460
that wants to create a lot of misery and

1869
01:16:12,770 --> 01:16:10,560
chaos and feed on that negative energy

1870
01:16:15,830 --> 01:16:12,780
and actually have a malicious intent or

1871
01:16:19,790 --> 01:16:15,840
not care at all about how they affect

1872
01:16:21,530 --> 01:16:19,800
you that to me is is evil or just so

1873
01:16:24,530 --> 01:16:21,540
ignorant or like a machine or something

1874
01:16:26,689 --> 01:16:24,540
I don't know so I don't know but I think

1875
01:16:28,610 --> 01:16:26,699
the ones that are good that they would

1876
01:16:31,010 --> 01:16:28,620
be Eternal also and they're just going

1877
01:16:34,729 --> 01:16:31,020
through a an existence and an experience

1878
01:16:36,110 --> 01:16:34,739
and learning from it like we are well I

1879
01:16:39,169 --> 01:16:36,120
was with you there and then you kind of

1880
01:16:40,550 --> 01:16:39,179
threw me at the end so where how are you

1881
01:16:43,850 --> 01:16:40,560
understanding

1882
01:16:45,290 --> 01:16:43,860
these extended Realms as it relates to

1883
01:16:46,610 --> 01:16:45,300
you know because in this conversation

1884
01:16:49,729 --> 01:16:46,620
we've kind of

1885
01:16:53,149 --> 01:16:49,739
and I'm not being I'm not being critical

1886
01:16:56,570 --> 01:16:53,159
because I think we we there's so much

1887
01:16:59,630 --> 01:16:56,580
you know are we how are we to understand

1888
01:17:01,910 --> 01:16:59,640
these extended conscious Realms is there

1889
01:17:04,370 --> 01:17:01,920
such a thing as lower Realms what does

1890
01:17:06,169 --> 01:17:04,380
that even mean we see that through in

1891
01:17:08,930 --> 01:17:06,179
many many cultures and they talk about

1892
01:17:12,350 --> 01:17:08,940
us how close are we to these lower

1893
01:17:14,689 --> 01:17:12,360
Realms are there such a thing as higher

1894
01:17:17,630 --> 01:17:14,699
Realms are there some higher Realms that

1895
01:17:19,790 --> 01:17:17,640
are closer to us than other Realms what

1896
01:17:21,950 --> 01:17:19,800
would that even mean then if we start

1897
01:17:25,010 --> 01:17:21,960
talking about different phenomena that

1898
01:17:27,709 --> 01:17:25,020
we talk about experience you know Auto

1899
01:17:29,990 --> 01:17:27,719
Body travel where are we going the dream

1900
01:17:31,310 --> 01:17:30,000
yoga when he says go to those Realms

1901
01:17:34,370 --> 01:17:31,320
here they are here's the directions

1902
01:17:37,550 --> 01:17:34,380
here's the road map where are they

1903
01:17:40,310 --> 01:17:37,560
ET where is ET what you know so

1904
01:17:43,010 --> 01:17:40,320
I think we got to pin this down a little

1905
01:17:45,950 --> 01:17:43,020
bit more and I'm interested in what your

1906
01:17:47,990 --> 01:17:45,960
read of it is well I think I don't know

1907
01:17:49,970 --> 01:17:48,000
I just think there's good ones and and

1908
01:17:52,910 --> 01:17:49,980
bad ones and the and the bad ones are

1909
01:17:55,970 --> 01:17:52,920
like narcissistics and parasites and

1910
01:17:59,630 --> 01:17:55,980
predators or like machines and they

1911
01:18:00,649 --> 01:17:59,640
they're amoral or like Amor they don't

1912
01:18:03,290 --> 01:18:00,659
like they don't care they're just doing

1913
01:18:04,910 --> 01:18:03,300
a job and it's like their program and a

1914
01:18:06,590 --> 01:18:04,920
lot of them kind of act like it's just a

1915
01:18:07,910 --> 01:18:06,600
program you know they're just doing what

1916
01:18:09,050 --> 01:18:07,920
they're doing because they have to do it

1917
01:18:12,649 --> 01:18:09,060
and it's their job they don't really

1918
01:18:15,050 --> 01:18:12,659
care how it affects you but my sense is

1919
01:18:16,490 --> 01:18:15,060
that if somebody really has an immortal

1920
01:18:19,010 --> 01:18:16,500
eternal spirit and they're living an

1921
01:18:21,590 --> 01:18:19,020
experience they're eventually going to

1922
01:18:24,830 --> 01:18:21,600
to learn and and not have to be

1923
01:18:27,290 --> 01:18:24,840
predators and parasites so when someone

1924
01:18:29,149 --> 01:18:27,300
when someone does recover their trauma

1925
01:18:31,970 --> 01:18:29,159
like a human we really go through

1926
01:18:33,770 --> 01:18:31,980
recovery and and you connect with your

1927
01:18:35,750 --> 01:18:33,780
spirit and you like release the grief

1928
01:18:37,490 --> 01:18:35,760
and and you the the joy and the

1929
01:18:39,709 --> 01:18:37,500
compassion of your natural Spirit comes

1930
01:18:43,370 --> 01:18:39,719
back in a sense of peace and goodness

1931
01:18:46,130 --> 01:18:43,380
and Harmony comes back and so that's a

1932
01:18:47,870 --> 01:18:46,140
restoration of your original nature

1933
01:18:50,930 --> 01:18:47,880
without the trauma

1934
01:18:53,930 --> 01:18:50,940
Evie we have met the enemy and it is us

1935
01:18:55,910 --> 01:18:53,940
we have met the Nazis it is us the the

1936
01:18:58,970 --> 01:18:55,920
pictures that Abu ghraib are still

1937
01:19:01,130 --> 01:18:58,980
burned in all our memories of you know

1938
01:19:03,110 --> 01:19:01,140
let's do enhanced interrogation of

1939
01:19:06,290 --> 01:19:03,120
people this is great let's can we do all

1940
01:19:09,290 --> 01:19:06,300
sorts of weird sexual stuff let's abuse

1941
01:19:11,030 --> 01:19:09,300
people this is our government everything

1942
01:19:13,010 --> 01:19:11,040
we've done this is the history always

1943
01:19:15,530 --> 01:19:13,020
put under slavery you know let's have

1944
01:19:17,570 --> 01:19:15,540
enslaved these people rape these kids

1945
01:19:19,870 --> 01:19:17,580
let's go to church and come home and go

1946
01:19:24,890 --> 01:19:19,880
oh it's okay and then

1947
01:19:27,229 --> 01:19:24,900
how how are we not in absolutely in the

1948
01:19:29,870 --> 01:19:27,239
middle of this and at the same time we

1949
01:19:31,669 --> 01:19:29,880
identify with I want you on that wall I

1950
01:19:33,890 --> 01:19:31,679
need you on that wall because I don't

1951
01:19:36,830 --> 01:19:33,900
want the Chinese marching in here and

1952
01:19:39,709 --> 01:19:36,840
telling me that you know I I whatever

1953
01:19:42,229 --> 01:19:39,719
illusion I have of uh self-determination

1954
01:19:44,209 --> 01:19:42,239
and Free Will is out the window and it

1955
01:19:48,050 --> 01:19:44,219
should all be for the state either so

1956
01:19:50,030 --> 01:19:48,060
there's a lot of complexity here that

1957
01:19:52,850 --> 01:19:50,040
kind of gets swept under the rug with

1958
01:19:55,610 --> 01:19:52,860
some of this stuff yeah

1959
01:19:56,930 --> 01:19:55,620
I I just well the I see where it swept

1960
01:20:01,130 --> 01:19:56,940
under the rug

1961
01:20:03,169 --> 01:20:01,140
and um and I I see problems with um like

1962
01:20:06,770 --> 01:20:03,179
feeding the Predator parasite

1963
01:20:08,810 --> 01:20:06,780
programming the enablers and so why are

1964
01:20:11,270 --> 01:20:08,820
they not seeing that they're enabling

1965
01:20:13,189 --> 01:20:11,280
the Predators why are they not aware of

1966
01:20:15,169 --> 01:20:13,199
this sometimes it's it's a perplexing

1967
01:20:18,590 --> 01:20:15,179
question like well how come you can't

1968
01:20:20,930 --> 01:20:18,600
see this how come you can't see the harm

1969
01:20:24,610 --> 01:20:20,940
you're doing when you're doing that like

1970
01:20:29,149 --> 01:20:26,450
sometimes you have to ask that question

1971
01:20:31,189 --> 01:20:29,159
do you know the the Michael Aquino story

1972
01:20:34,130 --> 01:20:31,199
do you know who Michael is Colonel

1973
01:20:36,950 --> 01:20:34,140
Michael Aquino he's dead now he's dead

1974
01:20:38,390 --> 01:20:36,960
now I mean it was a Satanist yeah

1975
01:20:40,010 --> 01:20:38,400
pedophile

1976
01:20:41,750 --> 01:20:40,020
I mean at least that's what the

1977
01:20:43,910 --> 01:20:41,760
government concluded when they finally

1978
01:20:47,229 --> 01:20:43,920
let him go but they weren't able inside

1979
01:20:50,330 --> 01:20:47,239
the our judicial system or the military

1980
01:20:53,390 --> 01:20:50,340
judicial system to ever convict him or

1981
01:20:57,470 --> 01:20:53,400
anything so that is who we are you know

1982
01:21:00,530 --> 01:20:57,480
that that is us that is our democracy is

1983
01:21:04,729 --> 01:21:00,540
Satanist Colonel Michael Aquino who's a

1984
01:21:08,450 --> 01:21:04,739
pedophile and is respected among his

1985
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:08,460
super soldier peers in the military I

1986
01:21:12,950 --> 01:21:09,360
mean

1987
01:21:16,850 --> 01:21:12,960
I I don't I don't know how we get out of

1988
01:21:20,390 --> 01:21:16,860
that without going spiritual in a way

1989
01:21:21,890 --> 01:21:20,400
that is transcends all this oh we're the

1990
01:21:24,350 --> 01:21:21,900
center of the story and it's all about

1991
01:21:27,830 --> 01:21:24,360
us and it can't be all about us it has

1992
01:21:30,649 --> 01:21:27,840
to be bigger than that

1993
01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:30,659
well there are malevolent groups that

1994
01:21:36,470 --> 01:21:33,120
control and through trickery and mind

1995
01:21:38,750 --> 01:21:36,480
control and spiritual deception to

1996
01:21:41,689 --> 01:21:38,760
prevent us from perceiving the whole

1997
01:21:43,430 --> 01:21:41,699
thing and then when you do you're alone

1998
01:21:45,770 --> 01:21:43,440
for a while

1999
01:21:47,870 --> 01:21:45,780
and get targeted sometimes they kill you

2000
01:21:50,090 --> 01:21:47,880
but then sometimes other people kind of

2001
01:21:52,070 --> 01:21:50,100
wake up too and I just think

2002
01:21:54,050 --> 01:21:52,080
it reminds me of that and Rand movie

2003
01:21:56,870 --> 01:21:54,060
Atlas Shrugged and I don't know why but

2004
01:21:58,669 --> 01:21:56,880
that movie stuck with me

2005
01:22:01,430 --> 01:21:58,679
um on the end where I guess it was John

2006
01:22:04,010 --> 01:22:01,440
Galt had a statement that you know what

2007
01:22:06,649 --> 01:22:04,020
he discovered all along that you know

2008
01:22:09,169 --> 01:22:06,659
don't ever allow them to steal the fire

2009
01:22:12,709 --> 01:22:09,179
of your spirit which is you know the

2010
01:22:14,510 --> 01:22:12,719
spirit of invention uh individuality to

2011
01:22:17,510 --> 01:22:14,520
to get ahead to strive for excellence

2012
01:22:20,450 --> 01:22:17,520
and not allow the program it's like the

2013
01:22:23,090 --> 01:22:20,460
Communist program uh to basically feed

2014
01:22:24,830 --> 01:22:23,100
the predator and the parasite and then

2015
01:22:28,250 --> 01:22:24,840
let everything else go to because

2016
01:22:30,050 --> 01:22:28,260
well we're just gonna allow them to to

2017
01:22:31,550 --> 01:22:30,060
do and be what they do and we'll feel

2018
01:22:33,709 --> 01:22:31,560
sorry for them and not see what's really

2019
01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:33,719
happening with the overall evil of this

2020
01:22:37,729 --> 01:22:35,760
whole scheme so let's just escape and

2021
01:22:39,470 --> 01:22:37,739
create another world and just like sorry

2022
01:22:41,990 --> 01:22:39,480
we're going elsewhere

2023
01:22:45,290 --> 01:22:42,000
so sometimes I wonder if if that's what

2024
01:22:47,870 --> 01:22:45,300
some groups have done or some secret

2025
01:22:50,330 --> 01:22:47,880
yogis who have all these like phenomenal

2026
01:22:52,910 --> 01:22:50,340
abilities or go hiding out they're like

2027
01:22:54,530 --> 01:22:52,920
they're off the radar

2028
01:22:56,810 --> 01:22:54,540
they don't want to go and argue and be

2029
01:22:58,729 --> 01:22:56,820
on the disclosure panel and and play

2030
01:23:00,890 --> 01:22:58,739
that game for freaking 30 years and find

2031
01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:00,900
out where that goes you know what I mean

2032
01:23:05,689 --> 01:23:03,360
I mean I didn't know what you mean but

2033
01:23:08,570 --> 01:23:05,699
isn't that part of the personal

2034
01:23:10,189 --> 01:23:08,580
development and education process too I

2035
01:23:12,350 --> 01:23:10,199
mean because that goes

2036
01:23:14,630 --> 01:23:12,360
that's another part of the recovery

2037
01:23:19,189 --> 01:23:14,640
process isn't it when you say complex

2038
01:23:20,930 --> 01:23:19,199
trauma is how do I deal with these these

2039
01:23:23,330 --> 01:23:20,940
people who

2040
01:23:25,250 --> 01:23:23,340
all over the board as you again

2041
01:23:27,709 --> 01:23:25,260
folks you you will get a lot out of

2042
01:23:30,470 --> 01:23:27,719
these books if you read them they are

2043
01:23:33,410 --> 01:23:30,480
challenging the material will

2044
01:23:36,229 --> 01:23:33,420
seriously fundamentally rattle your

2045
01:23:38,390 --> 01:23:36,239
Paradigm but we all need that on a

2046
01:23:40,130 --> 01:23:38,400
regular basis but we need to tell the

2047
01:23:42,110 --> 01:23:40,140
truth though I think like part of the

2048
01:23:43,610 --> 01:23:42,120
process is we can't like run away and

2049
01:23:45,950 --> 01:23:43,620
just like okay I'm done with this place

2050
01:23:47,270 --> 01:23:45,960
they ain't going to listen right

2051
01:23:49,070 --> 01:23:47,280
um so I'm just like leaving and you

2052
01:23:51,169 --> 01:23:49,080
create another world of sambala or

2053
01:23:52,850 --> 01:23:51,179
something but I think part of our

2054
01:23:56,570 --> 01:23:52,860
process even people who've gone through

2055
01:23:58,430 --> 01:23:56,580
like 12-step programs or recovery or you

2056
01:24:00,169 --> 01:23:58,440
know witnessing doing their testimony

2057
01:24:02,510 --> 01:24:00,179
and witness for Jesus whatever it is

2058
01:24:05,149 --> 01:24:02,520
there's there comes a point where you

2059
01:24:08,030 --> 01:24:05,159
need to we need to tell the truth and

2060
01:24:11,450 --> 01:24:08,040
express ourselves for what Our Truth is

2061
01:24:13,850 --> 01:24:11,460
and Find meaning and belonging in that

2062
01:24:15,530 --> 01:24:13,860
process we heal as a result of being

2063
01:24:18,590 --> 01:24:15,540
able to tell the truth as we understand

2064
01:24:20,030 --> 01:24:18,600
it as we're learning the whole way and I

2065
01:24:22,130 --> 01:24:20,040
think we also we always need a

2066
01:24:25,729 --> 01:24:22,140
connection with another human being or

2067
01:24:27,530 --> 01:24:25,739
more to express our truth safely and I

2068
01:24:29,630 --> 01:24:27,540
think that's a real important part of

2069
01:24:31,729 --> 01:24:29,640
recovery when we can create that safety

2070
01:24:33,950 --> 01:24:31,739
to express address whatever that

2071
01:24:37,250 --> 01:24:33,960
experience is without you know feeling

2072
01:24:39,410 --> 01:24:37,260
we're going to be you know ridiculed or

2073
01:24:43,430 --> 01:24:39,420
killed and that that's an awesome point

2074
01:24:46,270 --> 01:24:43,440
and let's talk a little bit about the

2075
01:24:49,610 --> 01:24:46,280
flip side of that too which is the the

2076
01:24:51,950 --> 01:24:49,620
after effects proselytizing kind of

2077
01:24:53,510 --> 01:24:51,960
stuff because this is a real issue I

2078
01:24:56,450 --> 01:24:53,520
don't know if you're aware of it but in

2079
01:24:58,010 --> 01:24:56,460
the near-death experience research right

2080
01:24:59,390 --> 01:24:58,020
so again what I love about the

2081
01:25:01,070 --> 01:24:59,400
near-death experience research is

2082
01:25:02,290 --> 01:25:01,080
there's a scientific angle of it where

2083
01:25:04,910 --> 01:25:02,300
we say okay

2084
01:25:06,770 --> 01:25:04,920
physiologically this defies explanation

2085
01:25:08,930 --> 01:25:06,780
our neurological models are out the

2086
01:25:10,910 --> 01:25:08,940
window now but now let's go look at the

2087
01:25:13,610 --> 01:25:10,920
accounts and then like we talked about

2088
01:25:16,130 --> 01:25:13,620
if you go look cross-culture and you go

2089
01:25:18,410 --> 01:25:16,140
look in India and you say oh my God

2090
01:25:20,209 --> 01:25:18,420
these people are having this basically

2091
01:25:22,790 --> 01:25:20,219
samadhi experience they're kind of

2092
01:25:24,830 --> 01:25:22,800
waking up and they're all about God and

2093
01:25:26,689 --> 01:25:24,840
love and some fantastic things are

2094
01:25:28,729 --> 01:25:26,699
happening including some paranormal

2095
01:25:31,610 --> 01:25:28,739
psychic things but they're also filled

2096
01:25:33,530 --> 01:25:31,620
with the Holy Spirit or whatever and the

2097
01:25:35,570 --> 01:25:33,540
people in India will go okay yeah what

2098
01:25:38,330 --> 01:25:35,580
we need to do is kind of take care of

2099
01:25:40,729 --> 01:25:38,340
them over here put them you know go feed

2100
01:25:42,410 --> 01:25:40,739
them you know keep Pat them on the head

2101
01:25:44,450 --> 01:25:42,420
and six months later it'll kind of

2102
01:25:47,209 --> 01:25:44,460
settle down and they'll kind of come

2103
01:25:48,950 --> 01:25:47,219
back and can rejoin Society this is like

2104
01:25:51,890 --> 01:25:48,960
the traditional kind of Indian thing

2105
01:25:54,350 --> 01:25:51,900
well the near-death experience because

2106
01:25:56,209 --> 01:25:54,360
there's a technological component of

2107
01:25:58,669 --> 01:25:56,219
that which we'll talk about in terms of

2108
01:26:00,649 --> 01:25:58,679
MK Ultra because it's so important but

2109
01:26:03,530 --> 01:26:00,659
with near-death experience it's

2110
01:26:05,030 --> 01:26:03,540
resuscitation we are now resuscitating

2111
01:26:07,310 --> 01:26:05,040
people bringing them back from the dead

2112
01:26:08,510 --> 01:26:07,320
in greater numbers what does that mean

2113
01:26:10,129 --> 01:26:08,520
in terms of people having these

2114
01:26:12,770 --> 01:26:10,139
experiences but people have these

2115
01:26:15,410 --> 01:26:12,780
experience and they do higher divorce

2116
01:26:17,629 --> 01:26:15,420
rates and kind of depression and

2117
01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:17,639
suicidal ideation and all this other

2118
01:26:23,689 --> 01:26:20,400
stuff is higher much higher than normal

2119
01:26:25,850 --> 01:26:23,699
because it is this spiritually

2120
01:26:29,330 --> 01:26:25,860
transformative experience and that

2121
01:26:32,450 --> 01:26:29,340
rattles people's lives so

2122
01:26:34,970 --> 01:26:32,460
you are I'm sure all over this in your

2123
01:26:36,169 --> 01:26:34,980
work but speak to that for a minute in

2124
01:26:39,050 --> 01:26:36,179
terms of

2125
01:26:42,709 --> 01:26:39,060
feeling your truth embodying your truth

2126
01:26:45,410 --> 01:26:42,719
but at the same time finding a way to

2127
01:26:48,169 --> 01:26:45,420
integrate into

2128
01:26:49,729 --> 01:26:48,179
you know our social structure in a way

2129
01:26:51,530 --> 01:26:49,739
that isn't going to totally screw up

2130
01:26:54,290 --> 01:26:51,540
your life

2131
01:26:55,610 --> 01:26:54,300
totally that's the big

2132
01:26:57,649 --> 01:26:55,620
yeah

2133
01:26:59,689 --> 01:26:57,659
I mean that's the hard part like if

2134
01:27:01,430 --> 01:26:59,699
you've had a profound experience where

2135
01:27:04,129 --> 01:27:01,440
you let's say realize something that's

2136
01:27:05,990 --> 01:27:04,139
out of the norm of the bell curve of the

2137
01:27:08,689 --> 01:27:06,000
population for what they believe is

2138
01:27:10,850 --> 01:27:08,699
reality it makes you feel alone and

2139
01:27:11,930 --> 01:27:10,860
isolated for a Time unless you could

2140
01:27:15,169 --> 01:27:11,940
basically

2141
01:27:18,290 --> 01:27:15,179
find your own kind or your own tribe and

2142
01:27:20,570 --> 01:27:18,300
get these social relational support to

2143
01:27:23,270 --> 01:27:20,580
to be with at least some mutual

2144
01:27:26,090 --> 01:27:23,280
understanding and that that's a big a

2145
01:27:27,590 --> 01:27:26,100
big thing that makes people depressed

2146
01:27:30,290 --> 01:27:27,600
when they find out

2147
01:27:32,810 --> 01:27:30,300
I think like the narc abuse recovery for

2148
01:27:35,330 --> 01:27:32,820
example is a big it's a good parallel to

2149
01:27:37,790 --> 01:27:35,340
use and it's something that a therapist

2150
01:27:41,209 --> 01:27:37,800
named Ross Rosenberg does with his a

2151
01:27:43,910 --> 01:27:41,219
12-step recovery from self-love deficit

2152
01:27:45,709 --> 01:27:43,920
disorder but basically people found out

2153
01:27:47,629 --> 01:27:45,719
who were codependents who were like

2154
01:27:49,910 --> 01:27:47,639
married or had partners that were like

2155
01:27:51,110 --> 01:27:49,920
narcissistic personality disorder you

2156
01:27:52,850 --> 01:27:51,120
know like it's the worst kind of

2157
01:27:55,370 --> 01:27:52,860
relationship you can have but but it's

2158
01:27:57,290 --> 01:27:55,380
like a magnet syndrome of unresolved

2159
01:28:00,050 --> 01:27:57,300
complex trauma on both ends that's like

2160
01:28:01,850 --> 01:28:00,060
two sides of the same coin so once you

2161
01:28:03,649 --> 01:28:01,860
let's say it's the codependent end that

2162
01:28:06,229 --> 01:28:03,659
tends to get into recovery because

2163
01:28:07,669 --> 01:28:06,239
they're the ones that hurt the most and

2164
01:28:09,890 --> 01:28:07,679
the other the other ones really don't

2165
01:28:11,689 --> 01:28:09,900
get well which is actually a worse curse

2166
01:28:13,070 --> 01:28:11,699
when you think about it but once you

2167
01:28:15,229 --> 01:28:13,080
start getting well and you start

2168
01:28:17,149 --> 01:28:15,239
realizing the truth and quit gaslighting

2169
01:28:19,790 --> 01:28:17,159
yourself and quit doubting yourself and

2170
01:28:22,490 --> 01:28:19,800
recover your identity and you know

2171
01:28:24,530 --> 01:28:22,500
release the grief then there's like a

2172
01:28:27,110 --> 01:28:24,540
stage of like kind of being suspended in

2173
01:28:29,390 --> 01:28:27,120
a No Man's Land of like losing 75 to 80

2174
01:28:31,850 --> 01:28:29,400
percent of your friends and then like

2175
01:28:33,110 --> 01:28:31,860
trying to find start dating again when

2176
01:28:35,570 --> 01:28:33,120
you're just really afraid you're going

2177
01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:35,580
to attract another one of those and and

2178
01:28:39,950 --> 01:28:37,920
just having to to start all over again

2179
01:28:41,570 --> 01:28:39,960
from knowing that you're going to lose a

2180
01:28:44,570 --> 01:28:41,580
lot of family connections and friend

2181
01:28:46,729 --> 01:28:44,580
connections and maybe even jobs and

2182
01:28:48,229 --> 01:28:46,739
that's that's the the part where you

2183
01:28:50,209 --> 01:28:48,239
really have to get through that and

2184
01:28:52,790 --> 01:28:50,219
start building

2185
01:28:55,250 --> 01:28:52,800
connections with your own kind that have

2186
01:28:58,070 --> 01:28:55,260
that level of understanding and then

2187
01:29:01,010 --> 01:28:58,080
start building from that place but the

2188
01:29:03,410 --> 01:29:01,020
isolation is really hard but when you

2189
01:29:05,390 --> 01:29:03,420
you know top it off with like my laby

2190
01:29:07,850 --> 01:29:05,400
people for example or people who've been

2191
01:29:09,770 --> 01:29:07,860
through Love Bites it's not only the

2192
01:29:11,450 --> 01:29:09,780
isolation that you can have from the

2193
01:29:13,070 --> 01:29:11,460
standard psychological thing but

2194
01:29:15,709 --> 01:29:13,080
sometimes you know they try to kill you

2195
01:29:17,390 --> 01:29:15,719
they do murder your mentors they they

2196
01:29:19,729 --> 01:29:17,400
make you sick they poison you they give

2197
01:29:21,290 --> 01:29:19,739
you cancer they financially they you get

2198
01:29:23,810 --> 01:29:21,300
targeted you turn into a targeted

2199
01:29:25,790 --> 01:29:23,820
individual and this is the real test

2200
01:29:28,310 --> 01:29:25,800
this is like okay you have to be a super

2201
01:29:31,370 --> 01:29:28,320
Yogi enlightened being to start dealing

2202
01:29:32,990 --> 01:29:31,380
with this now because this is the

2203
01:29:34,910 --> 01:29:33,000
place we're going to have to be to

2204
01:29:36,830 --> 01:29:34,920
really overcome

2205
01:29:39,290 --> 01:29:36,840
all these things so that we can go to

2206
01:29:41,149 --> 01:29:39,300
the next level so that when Humanity

2207
01:29:43,250 --> 01:29:41,159
really starts waking up and realizing

2208
01:29:45,830 --> 01:29:43,260
what's been kind of running the show and

2209
01:29:47,390 --> 01:29:45,840
keeping them dummy down they're going to

2210
01:29:49,790 --> 01:29:47,400
be really pissed they're going to be

2211
01:29:51,770 --> 01:29:49,800
going through a lot of trauma and they

2212
01:29:55,250 --> 01:29:51,780
may not come out of it unless they have

2213
01:29:57,950 --> 01:29:55,260
somebody there for them I I mean I'm a

2214
01:30:00,649 --> 01:29:57,960
I think most people can't handle

2215
01:30:02,750 --> 01:30:00,659
the truth to be honest I mean if they

2216
01:30:04,910 --> 01:30:02,760
really knew like the like the deep deep

2217
01:30:07,129 --> 01:30:04,920
stuff like the secret space program and

2218
01:30:09,229 --> 01:30:07,139
the real entities and like the real the

2219
01:30:12,050 --> 01:30:09,239
real weird woo-woo stuff most people

2220
01:30:15,530 --> 01:30:12,060
just could not handle it so

2221
01:30:16,610 --> 01:30:15,540
so if that is a bridge too far for a lot

2222
01:30:20,750 --> 01:30:16,620
of people

2223
01:30:23,629 --> 01:30:20,760
I think we need to connect it to

2224
01:30:27,590 --> 01:30:23,639
what we already know is kind of

2225
01:30:31,310 --> 01:30:27,600
happening like with uh targeting people

2226
01:30:33,770 --> 01:30:31,320
we already have documented proof that

2227
01:30:38,689 --> 01:30:33,780
they're targeting people in all sorts of

2228
01:30:41,090 --> 01:30:38,699
ways but in in particular in the

2229
01:30:42,649 --> 01:30:41,100
you know the the like I guess I'd want

2230
01:30:45,590 --> 01:30:42,659
to break that down from kind of the

2231
01:30:47,510 --> 01:30:45,600
kindergarten level of the my lab stuff

2232
01:30:49,970 --> 01:30:47,520
and we kind of touched on it with

2233
01:30:52,430 --> 01:30:49,980
Whitley strieber but the other way to to

2234
01:30:54,830 --> 01:30:52,440
approach it is to say

2235
01:30:57,590 --> 01:30:54,840
well why wouldn't

2236
01:31:00,050 --> 01:30:57,600
the military industrial complex the

2237
01:31:03,169 --> 01:31:00,060
alphabet soup agencies as everybody say

2238
01:31:05,930 --> 01:31:03,179
why wouldn't they want to know what is

2239
01:31:08,390 --> 01:31:05,940
going on with uh people who have had

2240
01:31:10,370 --> 01:31:08,400
these contacts or even alleged contacts

2241
01:31:11,870 --> 01:31:10,380
so what you would want to do is you

2242
01:31:13,970 --> 01:31:11,880
would want to get these people and you'd

2243
01:31:15,470 --> 01:31:13,980
want to talk to them and you would want

2244
01:31:19,070 --> 01:31:15,480
to talk to them in a way that doesn't

2245
01:31:21,169 --> 01:31:19,080
reveal that you what you know and we

2246
01:31:24,830 --> 01:31:21,179
actually have evidence of this I mean

2247
01:31:27,290 --> 01:31:24,840
Richard Doty was outed for doing this

2248
01:31:29,229 --> 01:31:27,300
with Paul benowitz it's out they wrote

2249
01:31:31,850 --> 01:31:29,239
the books

2250
01:31:33,830 --> 01:31:31,860
and the only thing they did is they they

2251
01:31:36,290 --> 01:31:33,840
did it before disclosure so they hid it

2252
01:31:38,570 --> 01:31:36,300
as oh he must have seen a stealth bomber

2253
01:31:40,970 --> 01:31:38,580
well no he didn't see a stealth bomber

2254
01:31:44,149 --> 01:31:40,980
we all know now that disclosure we know

2255
01:31:46,490 --> 01:31:44,159
that he saw what he saw so if that is a

2256
01:31:49,790 --> 01:31:46,500
bridge too far

2257
01:31:52,790 --> 01:31:49,800
kind of walk it back a little bit and

2258
01:31:53,770 --> 01:31:52,800
how how would you get a normie to

2259
01:31:58,129 --> 01:31:53,780
understand

2260
01:32:02,390 --> 01:31:58,139
this idea of uh targeting and this idea

2261
01:32:05,209 --> 01:32:02,400
of you being someone who they could have

2262
01:32:08,209 --> 01:32:05,219
a special interest in and could cause

2263
01:32:09,470 --> 01:32:08,219
havoc and interfere with someone's life

2264
01:32:13,910 --> 01:32:09,480
I mean

2265
01:32:16,310 --> 01:32:13,920
I don't know if it helps to to like

2266
01:32:18,709 --> 01:32:16,320
whine about it all the time once you

2267
01:32:21,530 --> 01:32:18,719
know your your targeted individual it

2268
01:32:23,689 --> 01:32:21,540
doesn't help like socially to like tell

2269
01:32:26,330 --> 01:32:23,699
people that like it's better just to not

2270
01:32:28,850 --> 01:32:26,340
say anything and try to connect on on

2271
01:32:30,709 --> 01:32:28,860
like normal levels of like walking your

2272
01:32:32,590 --> 01:32:30,719
dog and going to the park and gardening

2273
01:32:34,550 --> 01:32:32,600
together and cooking together and just

2274
01:32:37,189 --> 01:32:34,560
reducing your life to actually

2275
01:32:41,090 --> 01:32:37,199
Simplicity of connecting on like real

2276
01:32:43,310 --> 01:32:41,100
natural easy levels and just working on

2277
01:32:45,350 --> 01:32:43,320
increasing your your love for one

2278
01:32:47,209 --> 01:32:45,360
another and for people to treat each

2279
01:32:50,330 --> 01:32:47,219
other with kindness and just focus on

2280
01:32:53,390 --> 01:32:50,340
that so that if you can build that

2281
01:32:55,550 --> 01:32:53,400
quality that can overcome the the

2282
01:32:58,070 --> 01:32:55,560
malevolent effects of some of the

2283
01:33:00,050 --> 01:32:58,080
targeting and this is what some people

2284
01:33:01,790 --> 01:33:00,060
that I know who could perceive things in

2285
01:33:04,370 --> 01:33:01,800
different ways it's as if there's a

2286
01:33:07,550 --> 01:33:04,380
technology that's overlaying Humanity we

2287
01:33:09,050 --> 01:33:07,560
can call it like the theosophist uh

2288
01:33:12,010 --> 01:33:09,060
Rudolph Steiner people called it the

2289
01:33:14,709 --> 01:33:12,020
afriman which is a almost like a

2290
01:33:17,990 --> 01:33:14,719
machine-like contractual

2291
01:33:20,810 --> 01:33:18,000
malevolent controlling evil machine-like

2292
01:33:23,870 --> 01:33:20,820
amoral force that can move in and around

2293
01:33:25,610 --> 01:33:23,880
and create chaos and as if it you know

2294
01:33:27,169 --> 01:33:25,620
it has a program so it's like it's

2295
01:33:29,390 --> 01:33:27,179
automated once they have your frequency

2296
01:33:31,070 --> 01:33:29,400
you're on this automated program for

2297
01:33:33,350 --> 01:33:31,080
to happen but it happens in

2298
01:33:35,209 --> 01:33:33,360
clusters and waves and it operates

2299
01:33:37,129 --> 01:33:35,219
almost like a

2300
01:33:39,770 --> 01:33:37,139
like a machine

2301
01:33:42,950 --> 01:33:39,780
so if you could figure out how to bring

2302
01:33:44,990 --> 01:33:42,960
light into that into your Consciousness

2303
01:33:46,910 --> 01:33:45,000
and the people you're with to just

2304
01:33:48,890 --> 01:33:46,920
basically create cracks of light and

2305
01:33:51,470 --> 01:33:48,900
awareness to break up those clouds those

2306
01:33:54,169 --> 01:33:51,480
psychic clouds then you won't be as

2307
01:33:56,930 --> 01:33:54,179
influenced by those when you're when

2308
01:33:58,490 --> 01:33:56,940
you're in one of those clouds uh when

2309
01:34:01,010 --> 01:33:58,500
they're targeting you because it's like

2310
01:34:03,590 --> 01:34:01,020
it's almost like a we call them like

2311
01:34:05,870 --> 01:34:03,600
dark astral blobs where it's like I

2312
01:34:07,310 --> 01:34:05,880
don't know I feel another one coming you

2313
01:34:09,470 --> 01:34:07,320
know and then then for the next few

2314
01:34:11,570 --> 01:34:09,480
hours you're like oh my God I did just

2315
01:34:13,430 --> 01:34:11,580
threw me one you know and and then

2316
01:34:15,709 --> 01:34:13,440
trying to bring light to it so that you

2317
01:34:17,209 --> 01:34:15,719
don't react and you you pull in light

2318
01:34:19,010 --> 01:34:17,219
and then all of a sudden things just

2319
01:34:21,410 --> 01:34:19,020
shift and change so it's like you have

2320
01:34:24,050 --> 01:34:21,420
to change your patterns and habits of

2321
01:34:26,390 --> 01:34:24,060
thinking and believing and regardless of

2322
01:34:28,610 --> 01:34:26,400
that wave that happened through whoever

2323
01:34:30,290 --> 01:34:28,620
it happened through not to blame them

2324
01:34:33,229 --> 01:34:30,300
because they're just being part of it

2325
01:34:35,450 --> 01:34:33,239
it's like I don't know how to blame them

2326
01:34:37,070 --> 01:34:35,460
you know well sometimes it is just

2327
01:34:39,410 --> 01:34:37,080
because they're they're

2328
01:34:42,290 --> 01:34:39,420
part of it it's their Consciousness it's

2329
01:34:44,209 --> 01:34:42,300
hard to explain but I think our own

2330
01:34:47,030 --> 01:34:44,219
light and our own awareness and our own

2331
01:34:49,070 --> 01:34:47,040
intentions could create cracks in that

2332
01:34:50,390 --> 01:34:49,080
so that we actually start creating our

2333
01:34:53,030 --> 01:34:50,400
reality and we start dreaming

2334
01:34:54,950 --> 01:34:53,040
differently and they can't they can't

2335
01:34:57,830 --> 01:34:54,960
it's like they're infecting our dreaming

2336
01:35:00,229 --> 01:34:57,840
reality process with stupid ass

2337
01:35:01,669 --> 01:35:00,239
programs that we don't want that's

2338
01:35:03,890 --> 01:35:01,679
coming in through different uh

2339
01:35:05,810 --> 01:35:03,900
perceptual windows but they're able to

2340
01:35:08,689 --> 01:35:05,820
do it more easily and and if we could

2341
01:35:11,450 --> 01:35:08,699
manage to pull those out and not have

2342
01:35:14,149 --> 01:35:11,460
those enter into our reality creation

2343
01:35:16,490 --> 01:35:14,159
mechanism in our dreaming then we can

2344
01:35:19,129 --> 01:35:16,500
smooth more clearly in and around all

2345
01:35:21,169 --> 01:35:19,139
this stuff and just basically nobody

2346
01:35:23,930 --> 01:35:21,179
even knows who you are

2347
01:35:25,129 --> 01:35:23,940
they don't have to know who you you just

2348
01:35:27,290 --> 01:35:25,139
do it

2349
01:35:29,390 --> 01:35:27,300
wonderful wonderful we we keep coming

2350
01:35:31,910 --> 01:35:29,400
back I keep coming at it from an

2351
01:35:33,169 --> 01:35:31,920
evidential scientific kind of prove it

2352
01:35:35,689 --> 01:35:33,179
kind of thing because I think that's an

2353
01:35:37,430 --> 01:35:35,699
important Truth for people to get and

2354
01:35:41,330 --> 01:35:37,440
then you keep flipping it to the

2355
01:35:43,610 --> 01:35:41,340
Therapeutics no no don't apologize no

2356
01:35:47,330 --> 01:35:43,620
it's it's it's it's beautiful and I I

2357
01:35:49,550 --> 01:35:47,340
hope that in this kind of jerky

2358
01:35:52,850 --> 01:35:49,560
conversation people can understand that

2359
01:35:55,810 --> 01:35:52,860
if you're at a place where what Evie's

2360
01:35:58,610 --> 01:35:55,820
saying resonates at all in terms of

2361
01:36:00,530 --> 01:35:58,620
anomalous trauma we haven't even talked

2362
01:36:03,649 --> 01:36:00,540
about the relationship stuff but I guess

2363
01:36:06,169 --> 01:36:03,659
we've touched on it if that resonates at

2364
01:36:08,570 --> 01:36:06,179
all in that you know my relationship

2365
01:36:11,870 --> 01:36:08,580
seems to have anomalous trauma

2366
01:36:13,390 --> 01:36:11,880
associated with it whether it's you know

2367
01:36:16,910 --> 01:36:13,400
it's not

2368
01:36:20,090 --> 01:36:16,920
demonic or malevolent or I was part of

2369
01:36:22,250 --> 01:36:20,100
uh I was part of a a Wicca group or you

2370
01:36:24,050 --> 01:36:22,260
know I was practicing Satanism or black

2371
01:36:26,090 --> 01:36:24,060
magic and next thing you know I've

2372
01:36:27,649 --> 01:36:26,100
talked to people like this guy you know

2373
01:36:29,629 --> 01:36:27,659
he'll talk to them and they'll say they

2374
01:36:31,550 --> 01:36:29,639
have these things going going on and

2375
01:36:33,770 --> 01:36:31,560
then you go well hi you know well I

2376
01:36:37,310 --> 01:36:33,780
guess we did do these kind of occult

2377
01:36:40,550 --> 01:36:37,320
practices you know that's like oh really

2378
01:36:42,770 --> 01:36:40,560
do you think uh anyways I don't want to

2379
01:36:45,410 --> 01:36:42,780
go too far afield if that it all

2380
01:36:46,729 --> 01:36:45,420
resonates with you as with you know we

2381
01:36:49,810 --> 01:36:46,739
haven't kind of done the full

2382
01:36:52,850 --> 01:36:49,820
bifurcation with the alien contact

2383
01:36:55,010 --> 01:36:52,860
contactee and is that evil malevolent or

2384
01:36:57,890 --> 01:36:55,020
is it just somebody doing their job you

2385
01:37:00,229 --> 01:36:57,900
know on sector six Planet whatever

2386
01:37:03,050 --> 01:37:00,239
if that resonates at all I think you get

2387
01:37:07,250 --> 01:37:03,060
a sense that this person who I'm talking

2388
01:37:08,930 --> 01:37:07,260
to today has walked this walk and might

2389
01:37:11,030 --> 01:37:08,940
be able to help you and that's what you

2390
01:37:13,310 --> 01:37:11,040
do you try and help people number one

2391
01:37:15,709 --> 01:37:13,320
with support right both one-on-one

2392
01:37:17,149 --> 01:37:15,719
support and group support how does that

2393
01:37:19,250 --> 01:37:17,159
work

2394
01:37:21,350 --> 01:37:19,260
really it's well people come to me for

2395
01:37:22,610 --> 01:37:21,360
sessions I usually work with zoom or

2396
01:37:24,110 --> 01:37:22,620
phone

2397
01:37:25,850 --> 01:37:24,120
um and then it's really sometimes just

2398
01:37:27,649 --> 01:37:25,860
to tell me what's going on with them

2399
01:37:29,390 --> 01:37:27,659
because they need some kind of

2400
01:37:31,189 --> 01:37:29,400
confirmation or to figure out what

2401
01:37:32,629 --> 01:37:31,199
what's really happening and then

2402
01:37:36,050 --> 01:37:32,639
oftentimes I can do a guided

2403
01:37:38,870 --> 01:37:36,060
hypnotherapy to do deeper work or or

2404
01:37:41,330 --> 01:37:38,880
sometimes to do a group where we do

2405
01:37:43,550 --> 01:37:41,340
dream work we start working with dreams

2406
01:37:45,290 --> 01:37:43,560
as a way of healing and getting greater

2407
01:37:47,570 --> 01:37:45,300
insights and working with the the

2408
01:37:49,790 --> 01:37:47,580
dreaming reality mechanism and really

2409
01:37:50,990 --> 01:37:49,800
assessing perception on a whole

2410
01:37:53,450 --> 01:37:51,000
different level

2411
01:37:56,870 --> 01:37:53,460
so I work with individuals and groups

2412
01:38:00,290 --> 01:37:56,880
and mostly Zoom though online

2413
01:38:02,209 --> 01:38:00,300
that I guess leads into one of the parts

2414
01:38:04,970 --> 01:38:02,219
of the book that I really appreciated

2415
01:38:06,590 --> 01:38:04,980
because so few people talk about it as

2416
01:38:08,209 --> 01:38:06,600
directly as you do even though you just

2417
01:38:10,990 --> 01:38:08,219
touch on that's a tiny part of the book

2418
01:38:14,750 --> 01:38:11,000
is the deception element

2419
01:38:17,629 --> 01:38:14,760
and there's so many parts to that there

2420
01:38:20,930 --> 01:38:17,639
is definitely in my opinion and I think

2421
01:38:23,149 --> 01:38:20,940
it's just very hard to argue this we are

2422
01:38:26,750 --> 01:38:23,159
being run through uh misinformation

2423
01:38:28,729 --> 01:38:26,760
disinformation program constantly and

2424
01:38:31,550 --> 01:38:28,739
it's constantly evolving and it's

2425
01:38:34,250 --> 01:38:31,560
incredibly sophisticated and you know I

2426
01:38:37,669 --> 01:38:34,260
just uh mentioned to you like the Lou

2427
01:38:40,129 --> 01:38:37,679
Elizondo thing you know Lou Alexander

2428
01:38:42,530 --> 01:38:40,139
he's a Conor intelligence agent that's

2429
01:38:45,410 --> 01:38:42,540
what it says on his freaking card and

2430
01:38:47,990 --> 01:38:45,420
yet he's on 60 Minutes he's on the

2431
01:38:50,629 --> 01:38:48,000
History Channel he's promoting The

2432
01:38:53,810 --> 01:38:50,639
Narrative on disclosure and that's like

2433
01:38:55,669 --> 01:38:53,820
a small tiny example from your world but

2434
01:38:57,950 --> 01:38:55,679
it's so clear and I mentioned some other

2435
01:39:01,330 --> 01:38:57,960
ones in this thing so you talk about

2436
01:39:04,010 --> 01:39:01,340
that kind of deception that kind of

2437
01:39:05,510 --> 01:39:04,020
programming that's being thrown at us

2438
01:39:07,910 --> 01:39:05,520
all the time to kind of knock us off

2439
01:39:09,590 --> 01:39:07,920
kilter and to make it harder for us to

2440
01:39:12,290 --> 01:39:09,600
integrate with other people when we say

2441
01:39:15,229 --> 01:39:12,300
Hey you know this is true and they go oh

2442
01:39:16,970 --> 01:39:15,239
no didn't you hear I just read this

2443
01:39:18,530 --> 01:39:16,980
then there is also and I want you to

2444
01:39:21,050 --> 01:39:18,540
talk about this too there is the

2445
01:39:22,490 --> 01:39:21,060
self-deception now I don't know how you

2446
01:39:24,610 --> 01:39:22,500
deal with that because you're a people

2447
01:39:27,050 --> 01:39:24,620
Helper and somebody comes for you

2448
01:39:30,290 --> 01:39:27,060
therapeutically they don't need you

2449
01:39:32,870 --> 01:39:30,300
saying you know you're probably kind of

2450
01:39:36,830 --> 01:39:32,880
deluding yourself a little bit here but

2451
01:39:39,950 --> 01:39:36,840
that is in play too so how do you deal

2452
01:39:41,990 --> 01:39:39,960
with those two aspects of deception and

2453
01:39:46,430 --> 01:39:42,000
then how do we find discernment through

2454
01:39:48,830 --> 01:39:46,440
all that I mean um well for me

2455
01:39:51,649 --> 01:39:48,840
direct realization of your Eternal

2456
01:39:55,310 --> 01:39:51,659
nature is always the best uh gold

2457
01:39:57,410 --> 01:39:55,320
standard you know to launch from but

2458
01:39:59,689 --> 01:39:57,420
sometimes we don't have that and I found

2459
01:40:01,610 --> 01:39:59,699
that the sermon is directly related to

2460
01:40:03,350 --> 01:40:01,620
or say inversely proportional to the

2461
01:40:05,810 --> 01:40:03,360
amount of trauma you've had

2462
01:40:08,629 --> 01:40:05,820
so the more trauma we've had that means

2463
01:40:11,090 --> 01:40:08,639
the more self-disconnection we have from

2464
01:40:12,410 --> 01:40:11,100
our Eternal nature and our heart because

2465
01:40:14,270 --> 01:40:12,420
you know we don't want to remember all

2466
01:40:16,550 --> 01:40:14,280
those icky feelings and memories so we

2467
01:40:19,550 --> 01:40:16,560
have to like stay in the head and live

2468
01:40:22,189 --> 01:40:19,560
in the um illusion so that takes away

2469
01:40:24,649 --> 01:40:22,199
your discernment so we always have to

2470
01:40:27,189 --> 01:40:24,659
reconnect to create discernment but I

2471
01:40:29,750 --> 01:40:27,199
think there's a level of

2472
01:40:33,770 --> 01:40:29,760
Ethics where you really have to have a

2473
01:40:34,970 --> 01:40:33,780
pure heart of goodness to allow truth to

2474
01:40:37,790 --> 01:40:34,980
come through

2475
01:40:40,189 --> 01:40:37,800
because if you really don't have a good

2476
01:40:42,590 --> 01:40:40,199
intention and you really want to hide

2477
01:40:46,010 --> 01:40:42,600
your stuff and not feel and know the

2478
01:40:47,990 --> 01:40:46,020
truth then you'll be easily deceived and

2479
01:40:50,270 --> 01:40:48,000
spiritual manipulation is is some of the

2480
01:40:52,370 --> 01:40:50,280
worst and and I've seen this

2481
01:40:54,709 --> 01:40:52,380
this is why I know it's true and I'm I'm

2482
01:40:56,030 --> 01:40:54,719
basically a Christian because of of what

2483
01:40:58,430 --> 01:40:56,040
I've seen

2484
01:40:59,689 --> 01:40:58,440
but let's say the high level deceivers

2485
01:41:01,910 --> 01:40:59,699
you're talking about high-level

2486
01:41:04,729 --> 01:41:01,920
Spiritual Beings who could masquerade as

2487
01:41:06,590 --> 01:41:04,739
wonderful ascended masters and they

2488
01:41:08,629 --> 01:41:06,600
could do these twin flame things they

2489
01:41:10,850 --> 01:41:08,639
could activate your Kundalini they can

2490
01:41:12,770 --> 01:41:10,860
give you accurate information they can

2491
01:41:14,689 --> 01:41:12,780
give you psychic information to lead you

2492
01:41:16,610 --> 01:41:14,699
on a certain way and then they will

2493
01:41:18,169 --> 01:41:16,620
confirm with their Bona fides that

2494
01:41:20,629 --> 01:41:18,179
everything's going to go fine as long as

2495
01:41:22,910 --> 01:41:20,639
you follow their way and and you really

2496
01:41:25,189 --> 01:41:22,920
believe that it's true and we have this

2497
01:41:28,430 --> 01:41:25,199
kind of spiritual arrogance but once you

2498
01:41:30,649 --> 01:41:28,440
challenge it because they actually led

2499
01:41:33,050 --> 01:41:30,659
someone astray and I learned this from

2500
01:41:35,270 --> 01:41:33,060
people who went to psychics and Terrors

2501
01:41:37,669 --> 01:41:35,280
or even iching or this or that and they

2502
01:41:40,430 --> 01:41:37,679
LED them to the to the friggin love bite

2503
01:41:42,649 --> 01:41:40,440
that was like hosted by a demon and told

2504
01:41:44,350 --> 01:41:42,659
him it was their twin flame and it led

2505
01:41:47,030 --> 01:41:44,360
them into this like horrible

2506
01:41:48,350 --> 01:41:47,040
relationship that was well who is this

2507
01:41:49,729 --> 01:41:48,360
hierarchy giving them psychic

2508
01:41:53,330 --> 01:41:49,739
information when they're leading them

2509
01:41:55,370 --> 01:41:53,340
down that road okay okay let me jump in

2510
01:41:57,290 --> 01:41:55,380
because I I've kind of sidestepped the

2511
01:42:00,229 --> 01:41:57,300
whole love bite thing and it's Central

2512
01:42:02,229 --> 01:42:00,239
to what you do and let's just tackle it

2513
01:42:06,229 --> 01:42:02,239
here two hours in or hours

2514
01:42:08,689 --> 01:42:06,239
but the the reason I think it it really

2515
01:42:10,490 --> 01:42:08,699
resonates and it's awesome so awesome

2516
01:42:12,169 --> 01:42:10,500
and I know it seems like I'm pushing on

2517
01:42:14,330 --> 01:42:12,179
you really hard but I think your work is

2518
01:42:16,430 --> 01:42:14,340
so important and that's why I guess I'm

2519
01:42:18,850 --> 01:42:16,440
pushing to kind of tidy up some of what

2520
01:42:21,290 --> 01:42:18,860
I see is kind of the Loose Ends there

2521
01:42:26,990 --> 01:42:21,300
why would

2522
01:42:30,109 --> 01:42:27,000
trying to

2523
01:42:31,850 --> 01:42:30,119
manipulate control in all these ways

2524
01:42:33,709 --> 01:42:31,860
we're talking about why would they focus

2525
01:42:36,050 --> 01:42:33,719
on relationships

2526
01:42:37,910 --> 01:42:36,060
well that's the biggest loose feed

2527
01:42:40,609 --> 01:42:37,920
um the sexual energy is life force

2528
01:42:43,910 --> 01:42:40,619
energy and emotional energy is a big

2529
01:42:45,709 --> 01:42:43,920
feed so you get more energy and you feel

2530
01:42:48,290 --> 01:42:45,719
more alive

2531
01:42:50,270 --> 01:42:48,300
um through a relationship emotions and

2532
01:42:52,430 --> 01:42:50,280
especially Sexual Energy like tantric

2533
01:42:55,310 --> 01:42:52,440
sexual Kundalini that's like the super

2534
01:42:57,410 --> 01:42:55,320
wow whatever right so a lot of these

2535
01:42:58,669 --> 01:42:57,420
beings that's where they go right for it

2536
01:43:00,709 --> 01:42:58,679
and they'll they'll activate your

2537
01:43:02,810 --> 01:43:00,719
Kundalini and they'll make you think

2538
01:43:05,450 --> 01:43:02,820
that you know you met your twin flame or

2539
01:43:07,609 --> 01:43:05,460
you get set up in certain situations and

2540
01:43:09,770 --> 01:43:07,619
then you find out later that oh my God

2541
01:43:12,470 --> 01:43:09,780
you know that was like a manipulation

2542
01:43:14,450 --> 01:43:12,480
and then I'm drained and I was led down

2543
01:43:16,129 --> 01:43:14,460
a path that I thought was true and then

2544
01:43:17,450 --> 01:43:16,139
I found out that this Guru is like

2545
01:43:19,550 --> 01:43:17,460
totally manipulating all these people

2546
01:43:21,229 --> 01:43:19,560
but he still has like these magical

2547
01:43:22,850 --> 01:43:21,239
powers because he's pulling it off other

2548
01:43:26,689 --> 01:43:22,860
people's life for us and it's like wow

2549
01:43:29,350 --> 01:43:26,699
you know how come I didn't see this how

2550
01:43:33,050 --> 01:43:29,360
come all these people didn't see that

2551
01:43:36,229 --> 01:43:33,060
how come my perception was like

2552
01:43:39,350 --> 01:43:36,239
what happened why didn't we perceive

2553
01:43:41,390 --> 01:43:39,360
those spiritual Predators that's my big

2554
01:43:43,370 --> 01:43:41,400
question it's like how come we didn't

2555
01:43:44,870 --> 01:43:43,380
see those spiritual Predators how come

2556
01:43:46,669 --> 01:43:44,880
we weren't warned about them and how

2557
01:43:48,050 --> 01:43:46,679
come we have narratives and religions

2558
01:43:49,550 --> 01:43:48,060
that are enabling those brigging

2559
01:43:51,890 --> 01:43:49,560
Predators continue doing what they're

2560
01:43:55,669 --> 01:43:51,900
doing those are all good questions but

2561
01:43:57,410 --> 01:43:55,679
the other kind of related answer if you

2562
01:44:02,330 --> 01:43:57,420
will and it comes right out of those

2563
01:44:04,609 --> 01:44:02,340
questions is that if you had advanced

2564
01:44:06,890 --> 01:44:04,619
intelligence either non-human

2565
01:44:09,290 --> 01:44:06,900
Intelligence on the spiritual realm or

2566
01:44:10,790 --> 01:44:09,300
non-human Intelligence on the ET realm

2567
01:44:13,250 --> 01:44:10,800
we don't even know what those two mean

2568
01:44:14,870 --> 01:44:13,260
and how they're different so we were

2569
01:44:18,169 --> 01:44:14,880
just kind of playing with Wordsmith

2570
01:44:20,209 --> 01:44:18,179
there but what I hear you saying is this

2571
01:44:23,209 --> 01:44:20,219
is where you'd go I mean if you're just

2572
01:44:25,609 --> 01:44:23,219
going to kind of if you or I were

2573
01:44:27,890 --> 01:44:25,619
sitting in the role of these benevolent

2574
01:44:30,410 --> 01:44:27,900
beings and we said okay how do we get

2575
01:44:32,270 --> 01:44:30,420
this done where do we go do we go money

2576
01:44:34,250 --> 01:44:32,280
oh let's go money and another guy says

2577
01:44:36,890 --> 01:44:34,260
oh no no no let's go over here let's go

2578
01:44:38,870 --> 01:44:36,900
you know greed and then the guy says

2579
01:44:41,570 --> 01:44:38,880
squirrel all that here's where you go

2580
01:44:43,850 --> 01:44:41,580
you go right here you go sexual you go

2581
01:44:45,830 --> 01:44:43,860
relationship you go in motion and

2582
01:44:47,689 --> 01:44:45,840
everyone goes ah of course you're right

2583
01:44:49,850 --> 01:44:47,699
that's where we go all the rest of the

2584
01:44:51,709 --> 01:44:49,860
stuff you know what I mean that is the

2585
01:44:54,709 --> 01:44:51,719
that is the answer is if you are an

2586
01:44:56,870 --> 01:44:54,719
advanced intelligent intelligence this

2587
01:44:58,669 --> 01:44:56,880
is where you would wind up going

2588
01:45:01,070 --> 01:44:58,679
yeah yeah they were they would

2589
01:45:04,010 --> 01:45:01,080
traumatize people multi-generationally

2590
01:45:05,810 --> 01:45:04,020
and then give them lies about God or

2591
01:45:07,609 --> 01:45:05,820
light and they would Gaslight you so

2592
01:45:10,189 --> 01:45:07,619
that when you felt bad about them

2593
01:45:11,330 --> 01:45:10,199
treating you like you know you

2594
01:45:14,209 --> 01:45:11,340
would you wouldn't believe yourself

2595
01:45:16,250 --> 01:45:14,219
anymore you would say oh it must be me

2596
01:45:18,530 --> 01:45:16,260
but particularly with this relationship

2597
01:45:20,870 --> 01:45:18,540
thing on a kind of on a sub-project

2598
01:45:22,729 --> 01:45:20,880
level like if you look at MK Ultra they

2599
01:45:25,450 --> 01:45:22,739
have all these projects and sub-projects

2600
01:45:27,470 --> 01:45:25,460
I mean a major sub-project would be

2601
01:45:30,530 --> 01:45:27,480
exactly the kind of stuff you're talking

2602
01:45:33,229 --> 01:45:30,540
about in the book Let's kind of pit

2603
01:45:35,390 --> 01:45:33,239
these two people against each other in a

2604
01:45:37,669 --> 01:45:35,400
sexual relationship let's get these

2605
01:45:40,010 --> 01:45:37,679
people involved let's you would you

2606
01:45:42,530 --> 01:45:40,020
would just absolutely do that it would

2607
01:45:45,350 --> 01:45:42,540
why would it'd be so powerful

2608
01:45:47,570 --> 01:45:45,360
yeah they keep people at each other with

2609
01:45:49,790 --> 01:45:47,580
chaos in the relationships and

2610
01:45:52,129 --> 01:45:49,800
unresolved trauma so that people hurt

2611
01:45:54,169 --> 01:45:52,139
one another and get fight one another

2612
01:45:56,209 --> 01:45:54,179
when really there's somebody else

2613
01:45:59,750 --> 01:45:56,219
pulling the strings and feeding off of

2614
01:46:01,669 --> 01:45:59,760
all of that and so that's why you go

2615
01:46:03,470 --> 01:46:01,679
back to simplistic if we can go back to

2616
01:46:05,330 --> 01:46:03,480
simplistic teachings of you know

2617
01:46:08,330 --> 01:46:05,340
honoring and loving one another

2618
01:46:10,250 --> 01:46:08,340
as much as we can so that

2619
01:46:12,709 --> 01:46:10,260
um their power to cause us to get in

2620
01:46:14,390 --> 01:46:12,719
fights and to hurt one another is not as

2621
01:46:17,629 --> 01:46:14,400
powerful and so that when they really

2622
01:46:19,729 --> 01:46:17,639
Target you when someone's hungry or when

2623
01:46:21,830 --> 01:46:19,739
someone you know lost a place to live

2624
01:46:23,810 --> 01:46:21,840
someone lovingly will take them in and

2625
01:46:25,790 --> 01:46:23,820
help them find a job instead of leaving

2626
01:46:28,129 --> 01:46:25,800
them they're out on the streets to to

2627
01:46:31,010 --> 01:46:28,139
just fend for themselves it's it we

2628
01:46:33,290 --> 01:46:31,020
really have to love each other more I

2629
01:46:34,910 --> 01:46:33,300
know it's hard it's it's it's I just

2630
01:46:37,669 --> 01:46:34,920
feel like this has been going on for a

2631
01:46:40,189 --> 01:46:37,679
very very long time because the the

2632
01:46:42,530 --> 01:46:40,199
poverty of you know like women and

2633
01:46:44,510 --> 01:46:42,540
children and human trafficking and the

2634
01:46:46,790 --> 01:46:44,520
abuse and the you know I know in the

2635
01:46:49,070 --> 01:46:46,800
patriarchal religions like it was always

2636
01:46:50,990 --> 01:46:49,080
the orphans and the widows that the

2637
01:46:52,669 --> 01:46:51,000
whole of the New Testament people like

2638
01:46:55,010 --> 01:46:52,679
the whole of their job was like helping

2639
01:46:56,750 --> 01:46:55,020
orphans and widows what the hell what

2640
01:46:58,850 --> 01:46:56,760
problem is that

2641
01:47:01,010 --> 01:46:58,860
why are there so many orphans and widows

2642
01:47:02,750 --> 01:47:01,020
in the first place this is what my

2643
01:47:05,030 --> 01:47:02,760
question was why are they making them

2644
01:47:07,850 --> 01:47:05,040
believe in the devaluation of women and

2645
01:47:10,070 --> 01:47:07,860
children to begin with that causes that

2646
01:47:12,229 --> 01:47:10,080
problem all the time so they're spending

2647
01:47:13,790 --> 01:47:12,239
all their time doing the religion to

2648
01:47:16,129 --> 01:47:13,800
help the women and the children but it

2649
01:47:18,229 --> 01:47:16,139
never gets resolved oh

2650
01:47:20,450 --> 01:47:18,239
well that's that's because religion is

2651
01:47:22,790 --> 01:47:20,460
is and how always has been a social

2652
01:47:24,169 --> 01:47:22,800
engineering project first and foremost

2653
01:47:26,450 --> 01:47:24,179
and that's the problem I have with

2654
01:47:29,750 --> 01:47:26,460
Christianity if you go and look at the

2655
01:47:33,850 --> 01:47:29,760
history and if you read Josephus the

2656
01:47:38,990 --> 01:47:33,860
Roman slash Jewish historian he lays out

2657
01:47:41,450 --> 01:47:39,000
Josephus War the Jews 4.5.6 he lays bare

2658
01:47:43,010 --> 01:47:41,460
the social engineering operation only it

2659
01:47:46,370 --> 01:47:43,020
was first to the Jews you know it's like

2660
01:47:47,990 --> 01:47:46,380
hey Titus is really the Messiah all the

2661
01:47:49,790 --> 01:47:48,000
Jewish people like me we should realize

2662
01:47:51,410 --> 01:47:49,800
that you know he's really it well then

2663
01:47:54,109 --> 01:47:51,420
they just pull the same thing with Jesus

2664
01:47:56,570 --> 01:47:54,119
on the next thing with with Constantine

2665
01:47:59,209 --> 01:47:56,580
and that whole thing it's it's just it's

2666
01:48:01,250 --> 01:47:59,219
very effective and why wouldn't you do

2667
01:48:03,770 --> 01:48:01,260
that why wouldn't you if I want to

2668
01:48:06,470 --> 01:48:03,780
control a population do I want to really

2669
01:48:09,770 --> 01:48:06,480
go in there with uh weapons and arms and

2670
01:48:12,290 --> 01:48:09,780
March my troops if I can just say hey

2671
01:48:13,790 --> 01:48:12,300
it's this is it this is the book just

2672
01:48:15,830 --> 01:48:13,800
follow the book we're all under the same

2673
01:48:19,550 --> 01:48:15,840
thing if I can control you that way it's

2674
01:48:21,709 --> 01:48:19,560
just the much more efficient way to to

2675
01:48:24,709 --> 01:48:21,719
do it I I don't know to me it isn't even

2676
01:48:26,450 --> 01:48:24,719
that difficult to understand what's hard

2677
01:48:28,310 --> 01:48:26,460
to understand is why

2678
01:48:30,890 --> 01:48:28,320
but this is the super big spiritual

2679
01:48:34,250 --> 01:48:30,900
question why is God allowing this to

2680
01:48:35,990 --> 01:48:34,260
play out you know why is and I resist

2681
01:48:38,209 --> 01:48:36,000
the idea that and I was going to say

2682
01:48:40,270 --> 01:48:38,219
this before I resist the idea that God

2683
01:48:43,129 --> 01:48:40,280
needs our help in any of this you know

2684
01:48:45,410 --> 01:48:43,139
uh God needs our help we gotta we're

2685
01:48:48,350 --> 01:48:45,420
soldiers and just doesn't that just

2686
01:48:51,530 --> 01:48:48,360
doesn't Square you know somehow I'm on

2687
01:48:53,629 --> 01:48:51,540
some kind of Soul journey I need to find

2688
01:48:55,850 --> 01:48:53,639
truth I need to be the embodiment of

2689
01:48:58,669 --> 01:48:55,860
that truth I need to grow and all the

2690
01:49:02,350 --> 01:48:58,679
rest of that that I get the idea that I

2691
01:49:05,890 --> 01:49:02,360
need to go strike down some you know

2692
01:49:08,930 --> 01:49:05,900
evil being you know it just doesn't

2693
01:49:10,430 --> 01:49:08,940
logically it doesn't add up to how that

2694
01:49:11,930 --> 01:49:10,440
could work and and I kind of feel like

2695
01:49:13,609 --> 01:49:11,940
you're coming from a slightly different

2696
01:49:16,850 --> 01:49:13,619
place on that

2697
01:49:19,129 --> 01:49:16,860
I think well what moved me the most was

2698
01:49:22,070 --> 01:49:19,139
actually discovery of how narcissistic

2699
01:49:25,430 --> 01:49:22,080
abuse really works and how it's enabled

2700
01:49:28,010 --> 01:49:25,440
in our culture and society and and how

2701
01:49:31,070 --> 01:49:28,020
to truly recover from that what we

2702
01:49:33,050 --> 01:49:31,080
really need to be and do and that that

2703
01:49:35,209 --> 01:49:33,060
to me moved me more even than learning

2704
01:49:37,910 --> 01:49:35,219
about alien abductions it was just

2705
01:49:39,649 --> 01:49:37,920
another form of let's say narcissistic

2706
01:49:43,310 --> 01:49:39,659
abuse and mind control and spiritual

2707
01:49:45,169 --> 01:49:43,320
deception to take our resources and and

2708
01:49:46,250 --> 01:49:45,179
then Gaslight us into thinking it's like

2709
01:49:48,530 --> 01:49:46,260
all our fault there's something wrong

2710
01:49:51,290 --> 01:49:48,540
with us but if we really reconnect with

2711
01:49:53,330 --> 01:49:51,300
our true Essence we find ways to get

2712
01:49:55,850 --> 01:49:53,340
around like basically with narcissists

2713
01:49:57,590 --> 01:49:55,860
you don't really fight them directly if

2714
01:49:59,450 --> 01:49:57,600
you tell them what they are they just

2715
01:50:00,830 --> 01:49:59,460
they're like what do you call it pigs in

2716
01:50:02,810 --> 01:50:00,840
a pig pen they're always better at

2717
01:50:04,910 --> 01:50:02,820
fighting and and turning around on you

2718
01:50:06,169 --> 01:50:04,920
and they just met they're just better at

2719
01:50:08,390 --> 01:50:06,179
you know

2720
01:50:10,490 --> 01:50:08,400
doing what they do so it's like gray

2721
01:50:12,709 --> 01:50:10,500
rocking and you ignore them you don't

2722
01:50:14,390 --> 01:50:12,719
give them your attention you just kind

2723
01:50:16,790 --> 01:50:14,400
of move around it and you basically have

2724
01:50:18,470 --> 01:50:16,800
to accept your losses you may not ever

2725
01:50:20,689 --> 01:50:18,480
be able to recover your losses from

2726
01:50:23,330 --> 01:50:20,699
their theft which will never stop as

2727
01:50:25,129 --> 01:50:23,340
long as you interact with them so you

2728
01:50:28,430 --> 01:50:25,139
basically just have to start connecting

2729
01:50:30,590 --> 01:50:28,440
with people who understand the nature of

2730
01:50:32,870 --> 01:50:30,600
the Predator versus the nature of those

2731
01:50:35,030 --> 01:50:32,880
who are not predators

2732
01:50:37,729 --> 01:50:35,040
I mean I just see it as like the

2733
01:50:39,950 --> 01:50:37,739
Predators plain and simple and maybe

2734
01:50:42,050 --> 01:50:39,960
it's ignorance but I'm not there to try

2735
01:50:44,990 --> 01:50:42,060
to make them better I'm there to to

2736
01:50:46,970 --> 01:50:45,000
learn and get better myself and they can

2737
01:50:48,709 --> 01:50:46,980
find their own path because I need to

2738
01:50:50,270 --> 01:50:48,719
recover I I'm not going to take care of

2739
01:50:52,250 --> 01:50:50,280
them and then

2740
01:50:53,629 --> 01:50:52,260
starve to death trying to always take

2741
01:50:56,330 --> 01:50:53,639
care of all these people who are never

2742
01:50:58,850 --> 01:50:56,340
going to change you know it's like

2743
01:51:01,729 --> 01:50:58,860
yeah I I hear you this is such a

2744
01:51:03,590 --> 01:51:01,739
interesting topic to me because we all

2745
01:51:06,649 --> 01:51:03,600
appreciate that the narcissistic thing

2746
01:51:09,410 --> 01:51:06,659
is just way overused to the point of

2747
01:51:13,070 --> 01:51:09,420
where it's kind of lost its meaning and

2748
01:51:15,590 --> 01:51:13,080
it's become a gender kind of thing in a

2749
01:51:16,790 --> 01:51:15,600
way that it really shouldn't in that you

2750
01:51:19,510 --> 01:51:16,800
know we're usually talking about men

2751
01:51:22,669 --> 01:51:19,520
when we talk about narcissists

2752
01:51:25,370 --> 01:51:22,679
no no I I get it but you also get that

2753
01:51:26,689 --> 01:51:25,380
you know that's when we hear when I hear

2754
01:51:28,790 --> 01:51:26,699
a lot of the interviews you do and

2755
01:51:31,189 --> 01:51:28,800
that's what we're really kind of a lot

2756
01:51:34,070 --> 01:51:31,199
of times talking about and it loses the

2757
01:51:35,810 --> 01:51:34,080
fact that the other parts of our culture

2758
01:51:39,770 --> 01:51:35,820
that we're comfortable with

2759
01:51:43,250 --> 01:51:39,780
are very much about promoting that kind

2760
01:51:46,010 --> 01:51:43,260
of male energy that borders on

2761
01:51:49,189 --> 01:51:46,020
narcissism you know the get thing done

2762
01:51:50,169 --> 01:51:49,199
kind of mentality the protect at all

2763
01:51:52,970 --> 01:51:50,179
cost

2764
01:51:55,430 --> 01:51:52,980
mentality the I need you on that wall I

2765
01:51:58,070 --> 01:51:55,440
want you on that wall go take that Hill

2766
01:52:01,609 --> 01:51:58,080
doesn't matter how you do it kind of

2767
01:52:04,790 --> 01:52:01,619
energy we are a product of that we are a

2768
01:52:07,970 --> 01:52:04,800
product of the most narcissistic people

2769
01:52:10,970 --> 01:52:07,980
that fought bravely for us to chop that

2770
01:52:13,189 --> 01:52:10,980
other guy's head off in a one-on-one

2771
01:52:15,890 --> 01:52:13,199
battle you know what I mean and I think

2772
01:52:17,570 --> 01:52:15,900
we're trying to understand that and

2773
01:52:18,470 --> 01:52:17,580
resolve that and sometimes I think when

2774
01:52:25,430 --> 01:52:18,480
we

2775
01:52:28,010 --> 01:52:25,440
help so it's like labels are problematic

2776
01:52:29,870 --> 01:52:28,020
in so many ways but so is the cultural

2777
01:52:31,790 --> 01:52:29,880
overlay on this and

2778
01:52:34,129 --> 01:52:31,800
what I really resonate with much more

2779
01:52:36,530 --> 01:52:34,139
than the narcissistic thing is the

2780
01:52:39,709 --> 01:52:36,540
trauma thing that you're talking about

2781
01:52:41,990 --> 01:52:39,719
both anomalous trauma and the kind of

2782
01:52:44,209 --> 01:52:42,000
non-anomalous trauma and I thought it

2783
01:52:45,770 --> 01:52:44,219
was very beautiful and eloquent the way

2784
01:52:50,209 --> 01:52:45,780
that you said of

2785
01:52:52,490 --> 01:52:50,219
our ability to kind of be our full self

2786
01:52:55,010 --> 01:52:52,500
is inversely proportional look at the

2787
01:52:57,050 --> 01:52:55,020
moment trauma we can relieve to me

2788
01:52:59,330 --> 01:52:57,060
that's the samskara thing that is the

2789
01:53:00,890 --> 01:52:59,340
yogic thing that I totally get and

2790
01:53:04,689 --> 01:53:00,900
understand

2791
01:53:08,750 --> 01:53:04,699
I'm not sure that narcissism

2792
01:53:11,390 --> 01:53:08,760
exactly fits into that other than we all

2793
01:53:14,930 --> 01:53:11,400
got yet and some of the winds up

2794
01:53:17,930 --> 01:53:14,940
looking a lot like narcissistic behavior

2795
01:53:21,229 --> 01:53:17,940
yeah yeah but there's a real personality

2796
01:53:23,390 --> 01:53:21,239
disorder that that's actually more um

2797
01:53:25,729 --> 01:53:23,400
you know pathological and it comes from

2798
01:53:28,430 --> 01:53:25,739
complex trauma so that's the ones that

2799
01:53:29,390 --> 01:53:28,440
I'm talking about that like even in my

2800
01:53:31,669 --> 01:53:29,400
work

2801
01:53:33,709 --> 01:53:31,679
where when someone became hosted by an

2802
01:53:36,229 --> 01:53:33,719
entity it was because of that

2803
01:53:39,609 --> 01:53:36,239
personality style and the trauma that

2804
01:53:43,070 --> 01:53:39,619
actually allowed those entities to even

2805
01:53:45,950 --> 01:53:43,080
exacerbate those behaviors so

2806
01:53:48,169 --> 01:53:45,960
um yeah that's what I mean but not not

2807
01:53:50,570 --> 01:53:48,179
in the normal male female

2808
01:53:52,010 --> 01:53:50,580
now this is complex trauma that I'm

2809
01:53:53,450 --> 01:53:52,020
talking I I just think that all that

2810
01:53:54,950 --> 01:53:53,460
gets really blurry and I think the

2811
01:53:57,169 --> 01:53:54,960
labeling gets really blurry and then

2812
01:53:59,629 --> 01:53:57,179
when we say real you know from some

2813
01:54:01,790 --> 01:53:59,639
psychology perspective like they have

2814
01:54:03,649 --> 01:54:01,800
any freaking clue they still don't

2815
01:54:05,570 --> 01:54:03,659
believe that Consciousness is real I

2816
01:54:07,970 --> 01:54:05,580
mean the official position among

2817
01:54:10,010 --> 01:54:07,980
psychology is that Consciousness is an

2818
01:54:12,350 --> 01:54:10,020
epiphenomenon of the brain so all this

2819
01:54:14,109 --> 01:54:12,360
stuff that we're talking about is a

2820
01:54:16,729 --> 01:54:14,119
product of the brain there is nothing

2821
01:54:19,250 --> 01:54:16,739
real in terms of your conscious

2822
01:54:20,810 --> 01:54:19,260
experience they're not there yet when we

2823
01:54:23,270 --> 01:54:20,820
talk about spiritually transformative

2824
01:54:25,430 --> 01:54:23,280
experiences at the beginning at the APA

2825
01:54:27,229 --> 01:54:25,440
conference there ain't no breakouts

2826
01:54:29,930 --> 01:54:27,239
those those breakouts on spiritual

2827
01:54:32,270 --> 01:54:29,940
transformative experiences are like tiny

2828
01:54:34,129 --> 01:54:32,280
compared to overall psychology hasn't

2829
01:54:36,470 --> 01:54:34,139
come around to the idea that there are

2830
01:54:38,090 --> 01:54:36,480
these extended Consciousness Realms you

2831
01:54:40,189 --> 01:54:38,100
are because that's where you live and

2832
01:54:42,229 --> 01:54:40,199
that's where you work but in general

2833
01:54:43,910 --> 01:54:42,239
that's why you tell people they can't

2834
01:54:46,310 --> 01:54:43,920
the people that come to you they can't

2835
01:54:48,770 --> 01:54:46,320
go to a normal therapist right they go

2836
01:54:50,570 --> 01:54:48,780
to a normal therapist so it I mean

2837
01:54:52,790 --> 01:54:50,580
that's where I think it does get kind of

2838
01:54:56,149 --> 01:54:52,800
siled a little bit where you kind of see

2839
01:54:58,910 --> 01:54:56,159
it and you lose sight of the the world

2840
01:55:02,149 --> 01:54:58,920
that that really exists out there and

2841
01:55:05,090 --> 01:55:02,159
how it is so detached from what you and

2842
01:55:06,890 --> 01:55:05,100
I accept isn't obvious obvious reality

2843
01:55:08,270 --> 01:55:06,900
which is of course are these other

2844
01:55:09,970 --> 01:55:08,280
realms

2845
01:55:13,010 --> 01:55:09,980
yeah

2846
01:55:14,570 --> 01:55:13,020
I I wish it was easier

2847
01:55:16,310 --> 01:55:14,580
um but I

2848
01:55:18,709 --> 01:55:16,320
sometimes you don't have to talk about

2849
01:55:20,510 --> 01:55:18,719
experiences like I've found that

2850
01:55:23,510 --> 01:55:20,520
um we didn't have to go into this story

2851
01:55:25,189 --> 01:55:23,520
and the particularities of the story of

2852
01:55:27,709 --> 01:55:25,199
the weirdness and just talk about

2853
01:55:30,109 --> 01:55:27,719
feelings and and feelings and needs from

2854
01:55:31,970 --> 01:55:30,119
like a really basic human level and then

2855
01:55:34,010 --> 01:55:31,980
then you're able to do work with a

2856
01:55:36,470 --> 01:55:34,020
therapist without having to like give

2857
01:55:38,510 --> 01:55:36,480
National Security Secrets or or get in

2858
01:55:40,430 --> 01:55:38,520
trouble that you're you know talking

2859
01:55:42,890 --> 01:55:40,440
about that they're just gonna

2860
01:55:44,870 --> 01:55:42,900
you get in trouble for so there's ways

2861
01:55:47,330 --> 01:55:44,880
to get around that because sometimes it

2862
01:55:49,189 --> 01:55:47,340
is a national security issue and you

2863
01:55:51,050 --> 01:55:49,199
really can't talk about it so I feel

2864
01:55:52,669 --> 01:55:51,060
sorry for people who have to work for

2865
01:55:55,790 --> 01:55:52,679
those you know

2866
01:55:57,169 --> 01:55:55,800
companies and they really can't talk and

2867
01:56:01,609 --> 01:55:57,179
yeah

2868
01:56:02,750 --> 01:56:01,619
well folks if if any of this does seem

2869
01:56:04,729 --> 01:56:02,760
to

2870
01:56:07,310 --> 01:56:04,739
resonate with you in a way that makes

2871
01:56:10,910 --> 01:56:07,320
you feel like you need to connect with

2872
01:56:14,030 --> 01:56:10,920
this very awesome open-hearted person

2873
01:56:16,910 --> 01:56:14,040
who we've been talking to Eve Logan then

2874
01:56:21,350 --> 01:56:16,920
please do contact her you can find her

2875
01:56:23,810 --> 01:56:21,360
at her website evilorgan.com and uh

2876
01:56:27,290 --> 01:56:23,820
what where what else should people know

2877
01:56:28,970 --> 01:56:27,300
in terms of working with you or reading

2878
01:56:31,729 --> 01:56:28,980
the books or anything else like that

2879
01:56:34,430 --> 01:56:31,739
well you can get my hard copy books

2880
01:56:36,649 --> 01:56:34,440
directly through me on my website and

2881
01:56:38,330 --> 01:56:36,659
then they're both uh Dark Side of cupid

2882
01:56:40,970 --> 01:56:38,340
and the love bytes still available on

2883
01:56:43,189 --> 01:56:40,980
Kindle so you still can get a Kindle

2884
01:56:45,590 --> 01:56:43,199
edition there and then I have a small

2885
01:56:47,990 --> 01:56:45,600
alien loved by a telegram group that I'm

2886
01:56:50,149 --> 01:56:48,000
posting to that I can do a little more

2887
01:56:52,609 --> 01:56:50,159
quickly than my regular website

2888
01:56:54,290 --> 01:56:52,619
so you can always get in contact me that

2889
01:56:56,750 --> 01:56:54,300
way or through my email

2890
01:56:58,490 --> 01:56:56,760
and that's probably the best way or you

2891
01:56:59,750 --> 01:56:58,500
know any interviews you've heard me on I

2892
01:57:01,850 --> 01:56:59,760
don't even have my own YouTube channel

2893
01:57:03,830 --> 01:57:01,860
that I use I just you know do other

2894
01:57:05,689 --> 01:57:03,840
people's shows and it's easier for me

2895
01:57:08,450 --> 01:57:05,699
that way so

2896
01:57:10,850 --> 01:57:08,460
well excellent It's been terrific I'm

2897
01:57:12,770 --> 01:57:10,860
very grateful for you being so open and

2898
01:57:15,169 --> 01:57:12,780
allowing this conversation to go in ways

2899
01:57:17,030 --> 01:57:15,179
that I don't think a lot of people hear

2900
01:57:20,510 --> 01:57:17,040
when they approach your work we didn't

2901
01:57:21,890 --> 01:57:20,520
even touch on really my labs and what

2902
01:57:25,010 --> 01:57:21,900
all that's about but I think people will

2903
01:57:27,350 --> 01:57:25,020
get the get the general idea so thanks

2904
01:57:29,330 --> 01:57:27,360
so much for doing it Eve well thank you

2905
01:57:31,729 --> 01:57:29,340
it's great conversation

2906
01:57:34,669 --> 01:57:31,739
thanks Canada Eve Logan for joining me

2907
01:57:36,950 --> 01:57:34,679
today on skeptico dude check her out I

2908
01:57:39,950 --> 01:57:36,960
think if you have any kind of issues

2909
01:57:41,570 --> 01:57:39,960
surrounding this anomalous trauma issue

2910
01:57:43,790 --> 01:57:41,580
it seems to me like she'd be a great

2911
01:57:45,709 --> 01:57:43,800
person her books are challenging for the

2912
01:57:47,750 --> 01:57:45,719
ways that I outlined in this interview

2913
01:57:49,430 --> 01:57:47,760
but other than that

2914
01:57:51,709 --> 01:57:49,440
I don't know I think they're definitely

2915
01:57:53,689 --> 01:57:51,719
definitely worth checking out so then

2916
01:57:55,609 --> 01:57:53,699
finally you know one question I'd tee up

2917
01:57:57,410 --> 01:57:55,619
from this interview and it's kind of one

2918
01:57:59,089 --> 01:57:57,420
of these where the question is just

2919
01:58:02,990 --> 01:57:59,099
obvious you know

2920
01:58:11,340 --> 01:58:05,570
let me know your thoughts as always